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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    And exactly how is this news?
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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, Stalin would be proud, and I am pissed. But here is my problem with this. During the Bush administration, Republicans told me to shut up and be a patriot when I brought this subject up. Yea, Obama doing this is anti-American, but I submit to you that Republicans are not only anti-American, by grade A hypocrites too. The ONLY reason they bring this up is becuase the other guys get to do it, and when they are in office, they think it's perfectly OK, and even dare to call people who are against it unAmerican.

    So yes, this smacks of Stalinism, whether it is a Democrat or a Republican in the White House. But you never jumped all over the Republicans when they were doing it, did you? That tells me one hell of a lot about your motive, which is not to decry something that goes against what America stands for, but political posturing instead, for the sake of politics over country and what is right.

    This all goes back to the Patriot Act that was written and prepared and waiting for an event to facilitate its' passage by Congress. Much like the Iraq war just needed an excuse to get it started. I'd like to know who/what is really behind the Patriot Act. Is it an intelligence "coup?" I don't mean a master stroke in spymanship but as an integral cog in some kind of subversion.

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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    This all goes back to the Patriot Act that was written and prepared and waiting for an event to facilitate its' passage by Congress. Much like the Iraq war just needed an excuse to get it started. I'd like to know who/what is really behind the Patriot Act. Is it an intelligence "coup?" I don't mean a master stroke in spymanship but as an integral cog in some kind of subversion.
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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Ain't that just spiffy? Stalin would be so proud.
    Welcome to America.. Civil liberties arent are there...


    And Obama wants to take away our rights to bear arms.
    Yea.... Have any proof on this one...

    Nice combination. Big Brother and his Happy & Merry Police State.
    America has slowly been turning into a police state since the 50's...


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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, Stalin would be proud, and I am pissed. But here is my problem with this. During the Bush administration, Republicans told me to shut up and be a patriot when I brought this subject up. Yea, Obama doing this is anti-American, but I submit to you that Republicans are not only anti-American, by grade A hypocrites too. The ONLY reason they bring this up is becuase the other guys get to do it, and when they are in office, they think it's perfectly OK, and even dare to call people who are against it unAmerican.

    So yes, this smacks of Stalinism, whether it is a Democrat or a Republican in the White House. But you never jumped all over the Republicans when they were doing it, did you? That tells me one hell of a lot about your motive, which is not to decry something that goes against what America stands for, but political posturing instead, for the sake of politics over country and what is right.
    When I wrote about the Patriot Act it was to point out Dems stood by Bush's side with smiles.
    Other than that I never commented on it much.
    Nice try though.

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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea.... Have any proof on this one...
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, he doesn't, but I do so love idiotic conservative rhetoric.
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    Obama's stance on the 2nd Amendment is well known from as far back as his days as a guest lecturer at Harvard.
    Fast & Furious was part of that scheme.

    ...has Mr. Obama consistently supported individuals’ rights to own guns and opposed the D.C. handgun ban? Last November, Mr. Obama’s campaign told the Chicago Tribune that “Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional.” After the Illinois senator’s statement supporting the Supreme Court striking down the ban, the campaign quickly disowned the Chicago Tribune quote as a staffer’s “inartful attempt” to characterize his position.

    Yet, Mr. Obama personally voiced support for the D.C. ban at other times. In February, he did this himself, not something that he could blame on a staffer.

    ABC New’s local Washington, D.C. anchor, Leon Harris, asked Mr. Obama: “One other issue that’s of great importance here in the district as well is gun control … but you support the D.C. handgun ban.” Mr. Obama’s simple response: “Right.” When Mr. Harris said “And you’ve said that it’s constitutional,” Mr. Obama again says “right” and is clearly seen on tape nodding his head “yes.”

    But this is not new. Mr. Obama has a long history of supporting city gun bans. The Associated Press described his 2004 vote on a gun control bill: “He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.”

    A candidate questionnaire shows that Mr. Obama supported a ban on handguns in 1996. In 1998, he backed a ban on the sale of all semiautomatic guns (a ban that would encompass the vast majority of guns sold in the U.S.) In 2004, he advocated banning gun sales within five miles of a school or park (essentially a ban on all guns sold in almost all the states). Possibly, even more importantly, he served on the board of the Joyce Foundation, probably the largest private funder of anti-gun and pro-ban groups and research in the country.

    The Obama campaign “flatly denied” the 1996 statement supporting a ban on handguns, blaming it instead on a staffer from his state senate race who they said had incorrectly filled out the candidate questionnaire. But the Politico obtained a copy of the statement and found Mr. Obama’s own handwritten notes on it indicating that he had personally checked and corrected answers.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2EDmhh5I3
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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obama's stance on the 2nd Amendment is well known from as far back as his days as a guest lecturer at Harvard.
    Fast & Furious was part of that scheme.
    Sweet he USED to push those positions now hes been laid back and quiet on the whole thing.
    Ill jut ignore the ignorant no proof question about the Fast and Furious thing...


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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obama's stance on the 2nd Amendment is well known from as far back as his days as a guest lecturer at Harvard.
    Fast & Furious was part of that scheme.
    Also
    PolitiFact | Barack Obama coming after guns, 'under the radar,' NRA says


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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sweet he USED to push those positions now hes been laid back and quiet on the whole thing.
    Ill jut ignore the ignorant no proof question about the Fast and Furious thing...
    You will also ignore Holder lying and a dead agent from guns delivered from the Obama Squad?
    Of course you will.

    Connecting the dots is not something Socialists do very well.. for if they would... they wouldn't be Socialists.
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    Re: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You will also ignore Holder lying and a dead agent from guns delivered from the Obama Squad?
    Of course you will.
    this has nothing to do with gun control..


    Connecting the dots is not something Socialists do very well.. for if they would... they wouldn't be Socialists.
    good one.
    until you show me good proof that Fast and Furious had some secret gun control plot behind it or that Obama is secretly gonna take your guns away i wont believe a thing that comes out of your mouth..

    Ill be waiting..


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