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No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

TurtleDude said:
archaic is the failure to evolve. failure to evolve means attachment to the umbilical cord
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Exactly, time to cut the umbilical cord between rich and the tax cuts we allowed them for the last decade without benefit.
 
Catawba said:
Exactly, time to cut the umbilical cord between rich and the tax cuts we allowed them for the last decade without benefit.
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only someone who is deluded into believing that tax cuts are handouts or that the government has the first and best claim on the wealth private citizens create believes such rot.

what benefit do we rich get for funding your existence and paying for the handouts of so many net tax consumers who do nothing for us
 
TurtleDude said:
only someone who is deluded into believing that tax cuts are handouts or that the government has the first and best claim on the wealth private citizens create believes such rot.

what benefit do we rich get for funding your existence and paying for the handouts of so many net tax consumers who do nothing for us
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The middle class do not want your handouts, they want the jobs that a decade of tax cuts was supposed to provide.

I've explained you before the only reason the American people supported lowering tax rates for the wealthy was because of the promise of job creation. Since that did not happen there is no longer a reason to continue to allow them. Its as simple as that.
 
Catawba said:
The middle class do not want your handouts, they want the jobs that a decade of tax cuts was supposed to provide.

I've explained you before the only reason the American people supported lowering tax rates for the wealthy was because of the promise of job creation. Since that did not happen there is no longer a reason to continue to allow them. Its as simple as that.
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can you prove the idiotic Obama schemes to only allow tax increases on the wealthy will create jobs

what reason is there to allow people like you to continue to pay for less than you use?
 
TurtleDude said:
can you prove the idiotic Obama schemes to only allow tax increases on the wealthy will create jobs

what reason is there to allow people like you to continue to pay for less than you use?
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Well, cutting taxes didn't. However, presidents don't create jobs. And taxes play no real role in job creation. So maybe you're asking the wrong question.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, cutting taxes didn't. However, presidents don't create jobs. And taxes play no real role in job creation. So maybe you're asking the wrong question.
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well you might start with the guy who constantly whines that tax cuts didn't create jobs

but they did keep money from a wasteful government. that was a benefit

tax hikes on the rich have no objective benefit-slaking the butt hurt hatred of failures who will then vote for the Dems is not an objective benefit
 
TurtleDude said:
well you might start with the guy who constantly whines that tax cuts didn't create jobs

but they did keep money from a wasteful government. that was a benefit

tax hikes on the rich have no objective benefit-slaking the butt hurt hatred of failures who will then vote for the Dems is not an objective benefit
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We have a huge debt. More revenue helps with that. It has to be part of the debt reduction solution. Now don't skip over the word "part."
 
Boo Radley said:
We have a huge debt. More revenue helps with that. It has to be part of the debt reduction solution. Now don't skip over the word "part."
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then raise taxes on everyone and cut spending massively

that obama won't do either proves that reducing the deficit is just a facade and a pretext for his class warfare pandering.
 
TurtleDude said:
then raise taxes on everyone and cut spending massively

that obama won't do either proves that reducing the deficit is just a facade and a pretext for his class warfare pandering.
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Again, the poor really have nothing to tax, and the middle class spends (thus helping the economy). Returning to he pre-Bush tax cuts would hardly be radical. We did quite well with that rate.
 
TurtleDude said:
can you prove the idiotic Obama schemes to only allow tax increases on the wealthy will create jobs
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We have the determination from the CBO that continuing the middle class tax cuts will be more beneficial to the economy than continuing the tax cuts for the wealthy, and we have the 1990's as experience in how that does work. And when we compared that to the failure of trickle down economics, it was an easy decision which way to go.
 
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iguanaman said:
The void I see is the gap between the rich and poor that is widening every day. It has happened before and the result was the Great Depression. The wealthy are blinded by greed and the fools don't realize they are bringing the house down on top of them. Their wealth has to come from somewhere or do you belleve they make it in their basement?







Wealthiest Americans have 288 times net worth of typical family - Sep. 11, 2012
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A solution in search of a problem. If you think there is an issue then why tax income? You should be going after wealth.
 
Catawba said:
We have the determination from the CBO that continuing the middle class tax cuts will be more beneficial to the economy than continuing the tax cuts for the wealthy, and we have the 1990's as experience in how that does work. And when we compared that to the failure of trickle down economics, it was an easy decision which way to go.
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Well we see wont we. Once the Wealthy refuse to hire, move their money elsewhere. Then when small business wont hire and cant get loans. We will see who from the left Whines First. Progressives or those who want to call themselves liberals. Then the Democrats will show their true colors. BTW hows that pension reform going. Are you lefties ready to get screwed over by the Demos. That's who is taking on pension reform. Like Mayor Emanuel said. If you don't give up some of those benefits you wont have a pension. <<<<< Waves bye bye to Teachers Pension Benefits City and State Workers benefits while saying tata!

Don't just luv when a plan comes together. How nieve to think the Progressives who are about wealth distribution would be thinking of lifting the middle class and the poor up from despair. Their focus is not about making sure things are fair. Their focus is only about taking from the rich and wealthy and only for themselves. To take what is not theirs and never was.

We also had a determination by the CBO that numbers that Team Obama had put out were never Right from the Beginning. Obama says he gave up a trillion in entitlement spending last year. Yet cannot show that Trillion at all. Again he says he will put entitlements on the table. But puts nothing in any deal or writing. So once again straight from Obama himself. Again.....proving that he does not know how to Lead.
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Boo Radley said:
Again, the poor really have nothing to tax, and the middle class spends (thus helping the economy). Returning to he pre-Bush tax cuts would hardly be radical. We did quite well with that rate.
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YOu still don't get it. unless the middle class stops demanding more spending the deficit will always grow
 
AliHajiSheik said:
A solution in search of a problem. If you think there is an issue then why tax income? You should be going after wealth.
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the uber rich see income taxes as a way to preserve their primacy. taxing wealth is something that would justify armed retribution IMHO though. lots of wealth is nothing more than income that has been massively taxed converted to other items and often does not produce income. paying taxes to keep say a painting or jewelry that was bought with income you already paid taxes on is theft and those who would try to implement such things are thieves and should be dealt with accordingly
 
Catawba said:
We have the determination from the CBO that continuing the middle class tax cuts will be more beneficial to the economy than continuing the tax cuts for the wealthy, and we have the 1990's as experience in how that does work. And when we compared that to the failure of trickle down economics, it was an easy decision which way to go.
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its interesting that the welfare socialists are not calling for spending cuts

they merely don't like the rich or more likely, their own failure to be rich despite thinking they are smarter and more worthy than the rich, and merely want to punish people who have the wealth these welfare socialists think they themselves should have

its governmental vandalism that motivates them-if they cannot have something they don't want others to have it.

this crap about deficit reduction is just that. you all don't want deficit reduction because you want more and more government spending to justify economic vandalism imposed on those more prosperous than you are
 
American said:
The only purpose for raising tax rates is to damage the Republican Party. There IS no other reason. The last thing on Obama's mind is balancing a budget or paying down the debt.
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How does raising tax rates to Clinton levels on the rich damage the Republican Party?
 
MMC said:
Well we see wont we. Once the Wealthy refuse to hire, move their money elsewhere.
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Yep, Just like we saw that didn't happen in the 1990's, as the conservatives used the very same scare tactics then. Didn't happen! :cool:
 
Catawba said:
Yep, Just like we saw that didn't happen in the 1990's, as the conservatives used the very same scare tactics then. Didn't happen! :cool:
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But then why was the Demos running around and scaring everybody with Conservatives have their money in offshore accounts? Course you wont be able to get around Small business not getting those loans and hiring. Inflation and the cost of everything going up in the progressives caring ways for the poor and the middle class. But hey as long as they can steal money for themselves.....nothing has ever changed with Progressive Ideology.



Seems you have the mantra down pretty good......Me, Me, and Me too.
 
haymarket said:
How does raising tax rates to Clinton levels on the rich damage the Republican Party?
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If it were to stop there you may have a somewhat reasonable argument, even though the 90s were a different time, and the economy was in better shape. But you forget the other end of that equation, at the same time Clinton raised the tax rates, he decimated the military budget, and together with repubs in the house, reformed welfare which Obama through his unelected minions is busy dismantling for the future welfare state.
 
Catawba said:
Yep, Just like we saw that didn't happen in the 1990's, as the conservatives used the very same scare tactics then. Didn't happen! :cool:
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Yep, so repubs in the house should just pass the rate for the middle two rates, and let everything else go up, and when Reid kills it, then let Obama take us over, that is what he wants anyway.
 
j-mac said:
If it were to stop there you may have a somewhat reasonable argument, even though the 90s were a different time, and the economy was in better shape. But you forget the other end of that equation, at the same time Clinton raised the tax rates, he decimated the military budget, and together with repubs in the house, reformed welfare which Obama through his unelected minions is busy dismantling for the future welfare state.
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None of that answers the question that you led with: how does raising tax rates to Clinton levels on the rich damage the republican party?

I notice the writer of that statement has FAILED to answer it as well.
 
haymarket said:
None of that answers the question that you led with: how does raising tax rates to Clinton levels on the rich damage the republican party?

I notice the writer of that statement has FAILED to answer it as well.
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No you're right. It was about your utterly misleading, and foolish statement praising the Clinton era tax rates....Also, what it does do to answer your question is to expose the things in the 90s that were different when compared to today, so your meme, is false from the start.
 
j-mac said:
No you're right. It was about your utterly misleading, and foolish statement praising the Clinton era tax rates....Also, what it does do to answer your question is to expose the things in the 90s that were different when compared to today, so your meme, is false from the start.
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Perhaps you would be good enough to quote my statement "praising the Clinton era tax rates"? All I did was ask American an question based on his allegation

How does raising tax rates to Clinton levels on the rich damage the Republican Party?
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I am sure you are intelligent and old enough to realize that no time is exactly like another time. Every year is different. So to pretend that now is somehow unique compared to eras of previous history and that amazing revelation wins the day for you is simply silly.

I join you in accepting that today is different than the 90's. Today we have a 16 trillion dollar debt that needs to be paid so our kids and my grandchildren do not have to pay it. And that needs to start today.
 
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haymarket said:
Perhaps you would be good enough to quote my statement "praising the Clinton era tax rates"? All I did was ask American an question based on his allegation
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Ok, maybe I assumed prematurely, So you're saying that you don't think that raising taxes would hurt Repubs? Tell me why you think that?

I join you in accepting that today is different than the 90's. Today we have a 16 trillion dollar debt that needs to be paid so our kids and my grandchildren do not have to pay it. And that needs to start today.
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Good, now all we need is to agree on how to do that....What is your suggestion?
 
j-mac said:
Ok, maybe I assumed prematurely, So you're saying that you don't think that raising taxes would hurt Repubs? Tell me why you think that?



Good, now all we need is to agree on how to do that....What is your suggestion?
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What I said was clear and unmistakable as I have now reprinted it several times in response to a claim made by American right here in this thread:

How does raising tax rates to Clinton levels on the rich damage the Republican Party?
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Are we clear on this?
 
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