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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is the reality, which is what counts. The GOP backed themselves into a corner when they negotiated the sequester earlier this year. They came up with the idea because they thought they could hang Obama with it. Now it has come back to bite them on the ass. Here is what the GOP is up against now.............

    Hey now, not fair! Dick Morris has been heard complaining that the poll you posted over-sampled Democrats!

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    All you say could come true but watching politics for the last 40 years has created my incredible cynicism in the majority of the electorate, especially when it comes to polls. It is quite similar to the weather changing on a dime all the time. Two years is a century away and MANY things can happen to either sweeten or sour the GOP…or the Democrats for that matter. Did anyone predict the shellacking in 2010? One would have thought with the pitiful approval rating of Congress we would see more shift in November but it didn’t move much, either way.
    Since you gave an intelligent response, without resorting to getting personal, you deserve a response back from me. BTW, thanx.

    When the Democrats attempted to ram a hard left agenda down the throats of Americans, America responded, and Jimmy Carter got the ass whipping of his life. Since then, until 2006, America trended Conservatively. That could all change if Republicans keep attempting to ram their own extremist agenda down the throats of Americans. The majority of Americans are MODERATELY CONSERVATIVE TO MODERATE. This is why they are turned off by the slash and burn tactics that the GOP is engaging in. For Christ sake, this is not about party, Republican or Democrat. It's about the country. OK, so Obama beat Romney by 4%. That tells me Republicans are in no position to push. They MUST compromise the best they can or else they will be the ones to blame when we go over that fiscal cliff. Bush beat Kerry by about 2%, and then claimed a mandate. You can't have this both ways. It won't work. You will lose, and lose hard.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post

    Obama, if you really think about it, has no reason to compromise or even make a serious proposal--and he has not done so, nor will he. In case you hadnt noticed, Boehner has already agreed to come up with the $800 billion that Obama wanted confiscated from the rich. So whats holding up the deal? (sorry, last question)
    What's holding up the deal is that Obama already compromised once with Republicans and extended the Bush tax cuts for the top bracket, which went against what he campained on in 2008. He's not doing so again, nor does he have to since he won the election. If Republicans don't want to accept that, then everybody's taxes go up and it will be the Republicans' fault for not accepting Obama's deal which keeps taxes on the middle class where they are now. Republicans are screwed no matter what they do. Taxes are going up no matter what. The only question is whether or not that applies to everyone or just those in the top bracket. Either way, Republicans will get the blame. What I don't get is why the Republican-led House hasn't passed a bill that extends the Bush tax cuts for everyone?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

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    What's holding up the deal is that Obama already compromised once with Republicans and extended the Bush tax cuts for the top bracket, which went against what he campained on in 2008. He's not doing so again, nor does he have to since he won the election. If Republicans don't want to accept that, then everybody's taxes go up and it will be the Republicans' fault for not accepting Obama's deal which keeps taxes on the middle class where they are now. Republicans are screwed no matter what they do. Taxes are going up no matter what. The only question is whether or not that applies to everyone or just those in the top bracket. Either way, Republicans will get the blame. What I don't get is why the Republican-led House hasn't passed a bill that extends the Bush tax cuts for everyone?
    That's a good question. With their own bill, House Republicans would at least have a dog in this fight.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's a good question. With their own bill, House Republicans would at least have a dog in this fight.
    And such a bill would certainly get shot down in the Senate, or if it made it past the Senate by some miracle, by the president.

    Either way, Republicans could at least show their base that they tried to keep the Bush tax cuts for them and keep their word about not raising taxes; but that it was the Democrats who caused their taxes to go up. Anything short of that and they get the blame. I'm amazed they haven't done that.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Since you gave an intelligent response, without resorting to getting personal, you deserve a response back from me. BTW, thanx.

    When the Democrats attempted to ram a hard left agenda down the throats of Americans, America responded, and Jimmy Carter got the ass whipping of his life. Since then, until 2006, America trended Conservatively. That could all change if Republicans keep attempting to ram their own extremist agenda down the throats of Americans. The majority of Americans are MODERATELY CONSERVATIVE TO MODERATE. This is why they are turned off by the slash and burn tactics that the GOP is engaging in. For Christ sake, this is not about party, Republican or Democrat. It's about the country. OK, so Obama beat Romney by 4%. That tells me Republicans are in no position to push. They MUST compromise the best they can or else they will be the ones to blame when we go over that fiscal cliff. Bush beat Kerry by about 2%, and then claimed a mandate. You can't have this both ways. It won't work. You will lose, and lose hard.
    Again, there is logic to your post. I too subscribe to the political pendulum theology. True the pendulum had swung the Conservatives’ way until ’06. Then the Democrats took Congress then the WH in ’08 THEN ‘rammed’ though healthcare, good or bad is yet to be seen. I believe the PPACA forced the pendulum back to the GOP for the ’10 elections. This past November appears to have been the pendulum in midstroke…but which way it goes in ’14 is still uncertain…as we both have previously stated.

    Yes, they must compromise but unfortunately the ideas currently on the table amount to trying to pay a $100 tab by throwing pennies at it or merely ‘platitude-ing’ it to death …as you said ‘It’s about the country’…but our electoral options have been incredibly limited, on both sides, and considering the figurative hari kari (often imposed by VARIOUS media sources) associated with seeking public office I predict our choices to remain challenged.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And such a bill would certainly get shot down in the Senate, or if it made it past the Senate by some miracle, by the president.

    Either way, Republicans could at least show their base that they tried to keep the Bush tax cuts for them and keep their word about not raising taxes; but that it was the Democrats who caused their taxes to go up. Anything short of that and they get the blame. I'm amazed they haven't done that.
    I too have wondered this or at least write up some 'loophole deduction' bill and pass it. My current belief is that BOTH the President and the House are conspiring to allow ALL the BTC's to expire. The President is pandering to his base by continuing the 'tax the rich' mantra from the campaign. The GOP is playing dumb thus not showing their cards and hope the blowback is not too damaging, we’ll see. I believe this ‘conspiracy’ is based on the perceived opinions of the credit agencies. I think they will see a +/-$80b annual increase in revenue and not addressing spending will repeat the ‘credit downgrade panic’ which will shock the marked and sending us into a deeper depression that the one that WILL occur if tax increases/sequestration occurs…it seems stupidly logical but I could be wrong.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ambiguous…please clarify. What did I say that was pertinent to the presidential race?
    These are the similarities I noticed in your poll assessment methods:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    All you say could come true but watching politics for the last 40 years has created my incredible cynicism in the majority of the electorate, especially when it comes to polls. It is quite similar to the weather changing on a dime all the time.
    "Karl Rove: “At least 279 electoral votes.” “It comes down to numbers. And in the final days of this presidential race, from polling data to early voting, they favor Mitt Romney,” Rove wrote in a WSJ op-ed ignoring the fact that most polls showed growing momentum for the president."
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What's holding up the deal is that Obama already compromised once with Republicans and extended the Bush tax cuts for the top bracket, which went against what he campained on in 2008. He's not doing so again, nor does he have to since he won the election. If Republicans don't want to accept that, then everybody's taxes go up and it will be the Republicans' fault for not accepting Obama's deal which keeps taxes on the middle class where they are now. Republicans are screwed no matter what they do. Taxes are going up no matter what. The only question is whether or not that applies to everyone or just those in the top bracket. Either way, Republicans will get the blame. What I don't get is why the Republican-led House hasn't passed a bill that extends the Bush tax cuts for everyone?
    They did.

    House passes Republican tax-cut plan - CNN.com

    But you are right taxes go up on everyone Jan 1, so they might as well cave in now and use it as leverage to get cuts they want. If republicans are willing to give Obama the rate hike he wants in exchange for spending cuts, Obama will have to decide whether to accept the deal or be seen as responsible for going over the cliff.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    They did.

    House passes Republican tax-cut plan - CNN.com

    But you are right taxes go up on everyone Jan 1, so they might as well cave in now and use it as leverage to get cuts they want. If republicans are willing to give Obama the rate hike he wants in exchange for spending cuts, Obama will have to decide whether to accept the deal or be seen as responsible for going over the cliff.
    I think one of the issues is that history has shown us that the taxes do go up,
    but the cuts never seem to materialize.
    Kind of a bait and switch.

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