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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I guess it I should let that pass, but that's just a poor reading of what he said. We are the government, and everyone should be concerned about deficits. Paying for the deficit requires spending cuts and an increase in taxes, revenue. Noting that lowering taxes contributed to the increase in the deficit is not equal to saying you think someone elses money is yours. At some point it would be nice to get beyond partisan silliness and stereotypes.

    Yes, it does require spending cuts, however, are you aware of the wording in the Presidents offer, as given by Tax cheat Giethner to the repubs on this? It said...

    $400 Billion in unspecified cuts to be hashed out next year, (and the important part) with NO guarantees.....

    Now, we repubs have seen this before, and frankly don't trust a word a demo says that has this sort of scenario in it.

    It would be nice to get passed the hyperpartisan bull, maybe you should try it Joe....Just take a look at how you approach even the the beginning of this reply, basically talking down to me, which in person would lead me to tell you to go * yourself, however, in here I'll give the benefit of the doubt and address the actual point of your post which is above.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, it does require spending cuts, however, are you aware of the wording in the Presidents offer, as given by Tax cheat Giethner to the repubs on this? It said...

    $400 Billion in unspecified cuts to be hashed out next year, (and the important part) with NO guarantees.....

    Now, we repubs have seen this before, and frankly don't trust a word a demo says that has this sort of scenario in it.

    It would be nice to get passed the hyperpartisan bull, maybe you should try it Joe....Just take a look at how you approach even the the beginning of this reply, basically talking down to me, which in person would lead me to tell you to go * yourself, however, in here I'll give the benefit of the doubt and address the actual point of your post which is above.
    Yes, I am aware, and I think Republicans should make a firm counter offer, saying cut here and here. I think this is how it should work.

    BTW didn't you guys like Giethner under Bush? Anyway, where were you asking about the tax burden of UHC. I'm at a computer now.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I am aware, and I think Republicans should make a firm counter offer, saying cut here and here. I think this is how it should work.
    And this was already done. I don't have the specific bill, but there was a bill out of the house that 'Dirty' Harry Reid killed on arrival to the Senate, that laid out cuts. See, this is all the demo's do now, never a specific from them, just vagueness, and obfuscation.

    The repubs have laid out what they want, and it isn't up to them to deal with themselves...Either Obama, and co. are serious, or they aren't...My personal thought is that I don't think Obama wants a deal.

    BTW didn't you guys like Giethner under Bush?
    Couldn't tell ya, I didn't know who he was until Obama appointed him.

    Anyway, where were you asking about the tax burden of UHC. I'm at a computer now.
    Yes. You were going on about how much cheaper UHC would be, and I asked how much of a tax hike would be needed to support such a program.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And this was already done. I don't have the specific bill, but there was a bill out of the house that 'Dirty' Harry Reid killed on arrival to the Senate, that laid out cuts. See, this is all the demo's do now, never a specific from them, just vagueness, and obfuscation.

    The repubs have laid out what they want, and it isn't up to them to deal with themselves...Either Obama, and co. are serious, or they aren't...My personal thought is that I don't think Obama wants a deal.
    I don't think they have since the election, but if they have, show me. if not, they should lay it out again.



    Couldn't tell ya, I didn't know who he was until Obama appointed him.
    I could be wrong but I think he's a left over.

    Geithner was also closely involved in the design and execution of the Bush administration's $700bn banking bailout . . . .

    Timothy Geithner to be appointed Obama's treasury secretary | World news | guardian.co.uk


    Yes. You were going on about how much cheaper UHC would be, and I asked how much of a tax hike would be needed to support such a program.
    I linked a few things on that thread. I'll be leaving soon, but can discuss those tomorrow if you have any follow up questions.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    tax hikes, like spending, is nothing more than vote buying

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Another rightwing noise machine lie, but I wish it were true. We need to spend now while rates are low to restore the infrastructure Bush neglected, and thus keep our economy modern. I know, the word "modern" scares conservatives. Seek counseling on that one.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tax hikes, like spending, is nothing more than vote buying
    Who was the last Republican Administration ever came close to balancing the budget???
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who was the last Republican Administration ever came close to balancing the budget???
    non responsive-try again

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Another rightwing noise machine lie, but I wish it were true. We need to spend now while rates are low to restore the infrastructure Bush neglected, and thus keep our economy modern. I know, the word "modern" scares conservatives. Seek counseling on that one.
    8 years is not neglect, now if Clinton had done nothing and Bush 41 had done nothing, that would be neglect. But we have to listen to the constant drone of leftwing childish hackery on a daily basis feeding us lie after lie.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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