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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Because Democrats know that him and his neocon buddies piled on the debt and continued the practice for 20 years! Thats why
    How is the Reagan debt different from the Obama debt?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

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    How is the Reagan debt different from the Obama debt?
    The debt was 854 when Regan took office! So it was controlable when Regan left office it was almost 3 trillion and I am being nice. I figured you would knwo this since you are a Reagan fan. Plus Reagan was not dealing with two unpaid for wars, a give away to big Pharma, and huge tax cuts that bloated the defecit.There is a huge differance and you know it but refuse to even admit that 20 years of Republicans ruined this country. Anyone who mentions that a b movie actor was a great President is laughable in my eyes. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. Look at what he did in California.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Reagan was no conservative now Eisenhower was that was the last one! Pick up a history book and read. Reagan tripled the debt raised taxes 11 times and expanded the government. Oh and gave amnesty. Reagan would have been a Democrate today and probably be accused of being a socialist by thr whacko right wing that runs the party now.
    Reagan raised taxes where it helped, not simply because "the rich need to pay their fair share" bull****. Conservatives aren't against raising a tax when it makes good business sense to do so. Reagan also lowered many other taxes. Reagan's goal was to increase revenue, which he did, not play identity politics. Also, yes, Reagan spent a lot of money on viable infrastructure projects. Reagan's goal was to invest in the people, not nationalize industry as is Obama's stated goal. So far both Bush and Obama have wasted all the TRAP and Stimulus money they've been given. Also, yes, Reagan signed an amnesty bill, what you forget is what Reagan was supposed to get in return for amnesty from that bill, which the Left never delivered on, which is why the Left get's so much resistance on immigration policy today. You folks have lied time and time again, saying you'll deliver on a compromise, but you never do, so imo no more deals, no more compromises, nothing.
    Way to forget the whole story, but then you folks never did operate on honesty to begin with
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reagan raised taxes where it helped, not simply because "the rich need to pay their fair share" bull****. Conservatives aren't against raising a tax when it makes good business sense to do so. Reagan also lowered many other taxes. Reagan's goal was to increase revenue, which he did, not play identity politics. Also, yes, Reagan spent a lot of money on viable infrastructure projects. Reagan's goal was to invest in the people, not nationalize industry as is Obama's stated goal. So far both Bush and Obama have wasted all the TRAP and Stimulus money they've been given. Also, yes, Reagan signed an amnesty bill, what you forget is what Reagan was supposed to get from that bill, which the Left never delivered on, which is why the Left get's so much resistance on immigration policy today.
    Way to forget the whole story, but then you folks never did operate on honesty to begin with
    I see you talking but would love to see proof to back that many economist say it might have been break even. Reagan went on a wild spending spree on the military 30% plus that is not infastrure. Reagan wasted money! I do recall the house was controlled by Dems in the last half of Reagans presidency. However Republicans controlled the Senate so let be clear it just was not the Dems that did not deliver. Furthermore, Reagans deficts were so bad it casued another tax raise in Bush 1 presidency. You want to talk about honesty look at your own party and the last 20 years 75% of the debt is because of failed Republican policies. The game is up and if you didnt notice the last election was a sign of that. This country will only get worse if Republicans are in control and Hisrory proves that. Regardless if you want to see it.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I see you talking but would love to see proof to back that many economist say it might have been break even. Reagan went on a wild spending spree on the military 30% plus that is not infastrure. Reagan wasted money! I do recall the house was controlled by Dems in the last half of Reagans presidency. However Republicans controlled the Senate so let be clear it just was not the Dems that did not deliver. Furthermore, Reagans deficts were so bad it casued another tax raise in Bush 1 presidency. You want to talk about honesty look at your own party and the last 20 years 75% of the debt is because of failed Republican policies. The game is up and if you didnt notice the last election was a sign of that. This country will only get worse if Republicans are in control and Hisrory proves that. Regardless if you want to see it.
    I don't support Republicrats, I support Conservatives. The GOP of today is mostly composed of Liberals. I'll vote for Conservative Democrat over any of the Liberals in the GOP any day.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I do recall the house was controlled by Dems in the last half of Reagans presidency.
    During the last half? The Democrats controlled the house for 40 years straight, including the entirety of Reagan and Bush Sr.'s presidencies.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reagan raised taxes where it helped, not simply because "the rich need to pay their fair share" bull****. Conservatives aren't against raising a tax when it makes good business sense to do so. Reagan also lowered many other taxes. Reagan's goal was to increase revenue, which he did, not play identity politics. Also, yes, Reagan spent a lot of money on viable infrastructure projects. Reagan's goal was to invest in the people, not nationalize industry as is Obama's stated goal. So far both Bush and Obama have wasted all the TRAP and Stimulus money they've been given. Also, yes, Reagan signed an amnesty bill, what you forget is what Reagan was supposed to get in return for amnesty from that bill, which the Left never delivered on, which is why the Left get's so much resistance on immigration policy today. You folks have lied time and time again, saying you'll deliver on a compromise, but you never do, so imo no more deals, no more compromises, nothing.
    Way to forget the whole story, but then you folks never did operate on honesty to begin with
    To clarify, when Reagan started he cut taxes and revenue fell, then he raise taxes and revenue increased.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then you are for the confiscation of private property. A "wealth tax" is just that, and not just unconstitutional, but communist in nature.
    I was merely repeating what David Stockton suggested. I don't think we need to pay off the debt anyway. We didn't pay off the WWII debt either.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

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    During the last half? The Democrats controlled the house for 40 years straight, including the entirety of Reagan and Bush Sr.'s presidencies.
    And the point is??

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't support Republicrats, I support Conservatives. The GOP of today is mostly composed of Liberals. I'll vote for Conservative Democrat over any of the Liberals in the GOP any day.
    Mostly liberals? Name 5 liberal Republicans who are still in office.

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