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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where do you get off claiming those who pay more than 40% of the income taxes and all the federal death taxes somehow have a duty to pay for stuff like this? the middle class got tax breaks too and unlike the "rich" they aren't paying more of the FIT than their share of the income. The RICH are

    seems to me its the middle class who got stuff you should be whining about
    You remain clueless to the end. And we are all tired of explaining to you how it is impossible to tax the middle class anymore without throwing the economy back into another recession.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You remain clueless to the end. And we are all tired of explaining to you how it is impossible to tax the middle class anymore without throwing the economy back into another recession.
    no one has ever proven that claim. the reason why the obama admin does not want to restore the clinton tax hikes on the middle class is that the MC would punish his party in 2014

    that is the only reason

    and what makes someone making 200K a year a "rich person" even if its in NYC and why is someone making 198K a year in say Arkansas Middle class

    I love how those dependent on government call us who are not "clueless"

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    Even in red states from 35% to 45% of the people are democrats, many of whom are on some form of welfare or another; so don't be so quick to judge since you don't know why the red states receive so much federal money. Oops, that should have been directed to Wiggen
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no one has ever proven that claim. the reason why the obama admin does not want to restore the clinton tax hikes on the middle class is that the MC would punish his party in 2014

    that is the only reason

    and what makes someone making 200K a year a "rich person" even if its in NYC and why is someone making 198K a year in say Arkansas Middle class

    I love how those dependent on government call us who are not "clueless"

    We have more proof that letting the tax increase expire for the middle class will be harmful to consumers, and thus the economy, than we do that the tax cuts for the wealthy have done anything at all to improve the lives of the middle class for the last decade.

    As we have all tried to tell you, over and over, there is simply no benefit for the country to continue to allow your tax cuts!
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have more proof that letting the tax increase expire for the middle class will be harmful to consumers, and thus the economy, than we do that the tax cuts for the wealthy have done anything at all to improve the lives of the middle class for the last decade.

    As we have all tried to tell you, over and over, there is simply no benefit for the country to continue to allow your tax cuts!
    NO you don't. the president made an artificial line drawing based on votes and his class warfare idiocy. there is no sound economic reason to draw the line where he did or to say tax cuts are good for most people (after telling us 4 years ago that the Bush tax rates BENEFITED ONLY THE RICH) but not good for those who actually pay the lion's share of the federal income taxes.

    there is no benefit to the country for people like you using our tax dollars to pay for stuff you are unwilling to pay for yourself. and you don't speak for anyone other than yourself and other extreme haters of the successful

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NO you don't. the president made an artificial line drawing based on votes and his class warfare idiocy. there is no sound economic reason to draw the line where he did or to say tax cuts are good for most people (after telling us 4 years ago that the Bush tax rates BENEFITED ONLY THE RICH) but not good for those who actually pay the lion's share of the federal income taxes.

    there is no benefit to the country for people like you using our tax dollars to pay for stuff you are unwilling to pay for yourself. and you don't speak for anyone other than yourself and other extreme haters of the successful
    You will never be able to understand until you learn what makes a consumer economy prosper for the majority of the country, and not just those at the top.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think that anyone, let me repeat, anyone is saying not to have those safety nets for the old, sick, or people genuinely fallen on hard times. In fact in terms of helping those groups over and above governmental mandated taxation, is squarely overachieved by conservatives over liberals in terms of charitable giving in this country.

    What is out of whack is exactly what you and other progressives are advocating, and started in motion by your own declared heros like FDR and his ponzi schemes not to actually help those you claim his programs do, but to keep them on the plantation, subservient to a democrat agenda of vote for us, or starve.

    We fought a war with the British for our independence over such pervasive taxation at the time, and rejection of a centrally planned government ruling from on high in London by force. We not only won that war, but showed that a different model could succeed, to become the most powerful, richest nation ever on the face of the earth. Will we be done in by those who perpetually want their mommy to take care of them?

    Those liberal progressives that only want to hear their way, or the highway, and could care less about any kind of unity in the country are tearing this country apart, and destroying an era of prosper that may never be captured and harnessed again if they have their way. The guilt of America's success as a nation, and the jealous rage toward those that have achieved financial prosper, and acclaim if palpable. What they don't see is given too fierce a condition in this trend those with the means will simply leave, and take their wealth with them. Then everyone can suffer equally in a "just society"..... Not something I want to see happen. But, progressives obviously do....How sad.
    Sorry but the cat is out of the bag and it certainly is that "safety net" that is the main objective of the GOP and the 1%. They don't want to cut defense it is too lucarative for their friends, they don't want to cut oil subsidies or farm subsidies or anything else they can get a piece of. Listen to some of your cohorts. They say Social Security and Medicare are the main drivers of the debt even though NEITHER has contributed one dime to the debt.
    So you can stop your charade, and pick a side. Either you think the top 2% should pay more or you want to turn Medicare into a voucher and "privatize" Social Security. Sadly there is no middle ground.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you know how much money would be gained if all the rich were taxed 100% of their income versus how much money is being borrowed or printed annually by the government, beyond what they bring in?
    I know that a 15% wealth tax with a million dollar deductable would raise nearly 8 Trillion dollars and pay back half our debt. Does that count?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Sorry but the cat is out of the bag and it certainly is that "safety net" that is the main objective of the GOP and the 1%. They don't want to cut defense it is too lucarative for their friends, they don't want to cut oil subsidies or farm subsidies or anything else they can get a piece of. Listen to some of your cohorts. They say Social Security and Medicare are the main drivers of the debt even though NEITHER has contributed one dime to the debt.
    So you can stop your charade, and pick a side. Either you think the top 2% should pay more or you want to turn Medicare into a voucher and "privatize" Social Security. Sadly there is no middle ground.
    GOP doesn't want to cut farm subsidies?
    The $3.5 trillion budget plan put forward by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., has grabbed headlines because of its proposed changes to Medicare and Medicaid and its tax cuts, but it also would slash spending on agriculture and a range of other programs.

    It awaits a floor vote in the House but has no chance in the Democratic controlled Senate.
    GOP budget proposes $30B in cuts to farm subsidies - USATODAY.com

    And er, the House passed this bill...what is its status in the DEMOCRATICALLY held Senate? And WHO is it that doesn't want to cut farm subsidies...try again.
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Obama is playing politics with the lives of us Americans he supposedly is in office to do good things for. His statement that he will not sign a bill that does not raise taxes on the rich proves he is more interested in destroying Republicans than he is in leading us out of this horrible economy. If Reps can find a way to meet his dollar requirements through closing loop holes the rich use then there should be a deal. What obama wants though is to weaken Reps with their base by forcing them to break their pledge not to raise taxes or to go over the cliff and blame it on Reps in order to turn the general public against them. Obama just may drag us into another recession, possibly even a new depression.


    "President Obama today declared there would be no deal to avert the looming fiscal cliff unless Republicans agree to raise rates on the top 2 percent of income-earners."

    No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says - ABC News
    Then no fiscal deal.

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