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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually before the New Deal and Social Security most of our countries citizens has NO money when they got too old to work and the "poor house" was their only option if they were so unlucky to live that long. We have no country at all if we fail to take care of our old and sick, that is the lesson that FDR taught us. How many elections will you have to lose before you grasp that?
    I don't have an issue with taking care of the old and the sick. It's the young and the healthy that I don't want to be paying for.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't have an issue with taking care of the old and the sick. It's the young and the healthy that I don't want to be paying for.
    Neither do I. I think you are spot on. We should take care of the physically or mentally disabled and our seniors and only help those who can work enough to keep them from going hungry but not to make the comfortable.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Red states have more entitlement classers than blue states. Y'all want them to get their handouts, don't bitch when you have fork over the money. This is the system YOU wanted,
    Even in red states from 35% to 45% of the people are democrats, many of whom are on some form of welfare or another; so don't be so quick to judge since you don't know why the red states receive so much federal money. Oops, that should have been directed to Wiggen

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    If you are going to make nazism innuendos, you can butt right out of the thread. If you have something less stupid to post, please do so.
    Apparently you are ignorant as to the origins of the goose step. Perhaps this will educate and illuminate the darkness for you:

    Goose step - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The goose step is a special marching step performed on formal military parades and other ceremonies. While marching in parade formation, troops swing their legs in unison high off the ground, while keeping their knees locked.
    Originating in Prussian military drill in the mid-18th century, the step was called the Stechschritt (literally, "piercing step") or Stechmarsch. Although "goose step" is a pejorative term in English, it is used officially by the armed forces of the nearly 30 countries that maintain the tradition.
    30 nations use it now but some who learn all their history from old war films think that it started and ended with the Nazi's. Amazing. It is s great argument for not dropping out of school too early and taking some good history courses. The pejorative only exists out of ignorance and lack of education.

    Its really amazing how you have this obsession with attacking me buy only shine a bright spotlight upon your own intellectual shortcomings when you continue to do so.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Apparently you are ignorant as to the origins of the goose step. Perhaps this will educate and illuminate the darkness for you:

    Goose step - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    30 nations use it now but some who learn all their history from old war films think that it started and ended with the Nazi's. Amazing. It is s great argument for not dropping out of school too early and taking some good history courses. The pejorative only exists out of ignorance and lack of education.

    Its really amazing how you have this obsession with attacking me buy only shine a bright spotlight upon your own intellectual shortcomings when you continue to do so.
    Your own definition says it is a pejorative in English, the language we happen to be using on this board. If you didn't relate the term to Nazis, which is the common connection in English, just who were you relating it to? The Prussians?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Apparently you are ignorant as to the origins of the goose step. Perhaps this will educate and illuminate the darkness for you:

    Goose step - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    30 nations use it now but some who learn all their history from old war films think that it started and ended with the Nazi's. Amazing. It is s great argument for not dropping out of school too early and taking some good history courses. The pejorative only exists out of ignorance and lack of education.

    Its really amazing how you have this obsession with attacking me buy only shine a bright spotlight upon your own intellectual shortcomings when you continue to do so.
    Yeah, you want a fishing pole?
    Not taking the bait. Have a good one.

    Back to the thread, we have to make some attempt to reform our social spending. If that is means testing, or changing actuarials or increasing costs to all---we have to begin to make genuine steps to get the spending under control.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where do you propose the $2.6 trillion dollars comes from to repay SS the money that was taken so the rich could get huge tax breaks without fulfilling their obligation to provide jobs in return?
    where do you get off claiming those who pay more than 40% of the income taxes and all the federal death taxes somehow have a duty to pay for stuff like this? the middle class got tax breaks too and unlike the "rich" they aren't paying more of the FIT than their share of the income. The RICH are

    seems to me its the middle class who got stuff you should be whining about

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Progressive taxes are the backbone of the middle class. They tax income that is not spent at a higher rate allowing faster growth in our consumer economy and help the limit maldistribution of wealth that has become increasingly damaging since the 1980's. The Reagan AND Bush tax cuts reduced the progressiveness of tax rates and have helped the top 5% QUINTUPLE their fortunes and amass over $40 Trillion in net worth since 1985 all of it at the expense of the 95% This type of coddling is unsustainable and a bigger danger than our debt to our way of life. The ending of the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% is an essential part of the reset we so desperately need today. We must reverse these trends or perish.
    so the middle class never would have happened unless the idiotic 16th amendment was passed

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Yeah, you want a fishing pole?
    Not taking the bait. Have a good one.
    Bait? Educating you is bait????!!!!! Amazing.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Progressive taxes are the backbone of the middle class. They tax income that is not spent at a higher rate allowing faster growth in our consumer economy and help the limit maldistribution of wealth that has become increasingly damaging since the 1980's. The Reagan AND Bush tax cuts reduced the progressiveness of tax rates and have helped the top 5% QUINTUPLE their fortunes and amass over $40 Trillion in net worth since 1985 all of it at the expense of the 95% This type of coddling is unsustainable and a bigger danger than our debt to our way of life. The ending of the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% is an essential part of the reset we so desperately need today. We must reverse these trends or perish.
    Do you know how much money would be gained if all the rich were taxed 100% of their income versus how much money is being borrowed or printed annually by the government, beyond what they bring in?

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