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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
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    According to the red state - blue state breakdown, we already pay more than our share. Most of which goes to those states run by conservatives.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    According to the red state - blue state breakdown, we already pay more than our share. Most of which goes to those states run by conservatives.
    So lets see how the American uncivil war is doing.

    Black versus White.

    Latino versus White

    Black versus Latino

    Left versus Right

    Left versus Christians

    Left versus Jews

    Right versus women

    Left versus Rich

    Blue States versus Red States.

    How many more can we add to the list?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So would you prefer a flat tax to the progressive tax? What percentage do you think people should pay on their incomes and over what numbers?
    Progressive taxes are the backbone of the middle class. They tax income that is not spent at a higher rate allowing faster growth in our consumer economy and help the limit maldistribution of wealth that has become increasingly damaging since the 1980's. The Reagan AND Bush tax cuts reduced the progressiveness of tax rates and have helped the top 5% QUINTUPLE their fortunes and amass over $40 Trillion in net worth since 1985 all of it at the expense of the 95% This type of coddling is unsustainable and a bigger danger than our debt to our way of life. The ending of the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% is an essential part of the reset we so desperately need today. We must reverse these trends or perish.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    The Republicans should also have their stipulation, that entitlements and welfare spending needs to be reformed/cut.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only if you start saying something worthy enough to quote.
    Fair enough, but please don't misquote me.


    No one expected the president to fix 30 years of Reaganomics in just 4 years.
    Barrack Obama did. Remember him saying that if he didn't fix it he'd be out of a job? That Bush was "unpatriotic" because of the debt? Now, as we can all see, Obama has not only not solved the problem, he has built on it, exacerbated it, and divided Americans by doing so.

    Get real! Considering the do nothing Congress that has stood in his way, I think its amazing he was able to pass health care reform, save the auto industry, end the recession and now finally making the rich once again pay their fair share!
    Has stood in his way how? There were two years where he had absolute control over House and Senate.

    Obama presented a budget turned down by 100% of Congress and !00% of the Senate, by both Democrats and Republicans.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Progressive taxes are the backbone of the middle class. They tax income that is not spent at a higher rate allowing faster growth in our consumer economy and help the limit maldistribution of wealth that has become increasingly damaging since the 1980's. The Reagan AND Bush tax cuts reduced the progressiveness of tax rates and have helped the top 5% QUINTUPLE their fortunes and amass over $40 Trillion in net worth since 1985 all of it at the expense of the 95% This type of coddling is unsustainable and a bigger danger than our debt to our way of life. The ending of the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% is an essential part of the reset we so desperately need today. We must reverse these trends or perish.
    As has been mentioned several thousand times increasing taxes on the wealthy will mot make a dent in what the government is borrowing and spending. It will have no effect whatsoever. if the government gets more money they will simply spend more money, continue to borrow more money and then just print more money.

    You and many others are looking for a quick fix to the problem and there is none, at least not without a severe cut in government spending and a similar cut in expectations.

    Time to start planning ahead for your own future, and that of your family, rather than relying on the government to look after you. That is what Americans did in the past and managed to be on top of the world for over 200 years, watching other poorly led nations come and go. But rather than adhere to the principles that made the United States the greatest country in the world they decided to adopt the policies that have already failed everywhere else. Now the bill is becoming due, just as it has done everywhere people and their leaders have behaved irresponsibly.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As has been mentioned several thousand times increasing taxes on the wealthy will mot make a dent in what the government is borrowing and spending. It will have no effect whatsoever. if the government gets more money they will simply spend more money, continue to borrow more money and then just print more money.

    You and many others are looking for a quick fix to the problem and there is none, at least not without a severe cut in government spending and a similar cut in expectations.

    Time to start planning ahead for your own future, and that of your family, rather than relying on the government to look after you. That is what Americans did in the past and managed to be on top of the world for over 200 years, watching other poorly led nations come and go. But rather than adhere to the principles that made the United States the greatest country in the world they decided to adopt the policies that have already failed everywhere else. Now the bill is becoming due, just as it has done everywhere people and their leaders have behaved irresponsibly.
    Actually before the New Deal and Social Security most of our countries citizens has NO money when they got too old to work and the "poor house" was their only option if they were so unlucky to live that long. We have no country at all if we fail to take care of our old and sick, that is the lesson that FDR taught us. How many elections will you have to lose before you grasp that?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually before the New Deal and Social Security most of our countries citizens has NO money when they got too old to work and the "poor house" was their only option if they were so unlucky to live that long. We have no country at all if we fail to take care of our old and sick, that is the lesson that FDR taught us. How many elections will you have to lose before you grasp that?

    I don't think that anyone, let me repeat, anyone is saying not to have those safety nets for the old, sick, or people genuinely fallen on hard times. In fact in terms of helping those groups over and above governmental mandated taxation, is squarely overachieved by conservatives over liberals in terms of charitable giving in this country.

    What is out of whack is exactly what you and other progressives are advocating, and started in motion by your own declared heros like FDR and his ponzi schemes not to actually help those you claim his programs do, but to keep them on the plantation, subservient to a democrat agenda of vote for us, or starve.

    We fought a war with the British for our independence over such pervasive taxation at the time, and rejection of a centrally planned government ruling from on high in London by force. We not only won that war, but showed that a different model could succeed, to become the most powerful, richest nation ever on the face of the earth. Will we be done in by those who perpetually want their mommy to take care of them?

    Those liberal progressives that only want to hear their way, or the highway, and could care less about any kind of unity in the country are tearing this country apart, and destroying an era of prosper that may never be captured and harnessed again if they have their way. The guilt of America's success as a nation, and the jealous rage toward those that have achieved financial prosper, and acclaim if palpable. What they don't see is given too fierce a condition in this trend those with the means will simply leave, and take their wealth with them. Then everyone can suffer equally in a "just society"..... Not something I want to see happen. But, progressives obviously do....How sad.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually before the New Deal and Social Security most of our countries citizens has NO money when they got too old to work and the "poor house" was their only option if they were so unlucky to live that long. We have no country at all if we fail to take care of our old and sick, that is the lesson that FDR taught us. How many elections will you have to lose before you grasp that?
    That was back when Americans had families, when they were responsioble for their children, the eldely and helped each other. they learned that life can ber difficult sometimes but that the key was to help each other, look after your interests, and don;t rely on the government.

    Now people are expecting government to look after them and of course unscrupulous politicians will encourage and indulge them in this pipe dream. Americans of the past were prepared to face challenges and acceoted them as part of being a strong and independent people?

    Now. since the government took over parenting, where the President says someone becomes an adult when they are 26, when a 30 year old woman iss demanding others pay for her birth control is a hero, where abortion mills are paid for by the government, where single women are living lives of quiet desperation and young men roam the street in gangs rather then becoming genuine men, then its time to sit back and ask yourself, "What the hell went wrong??"

    If you think it's because of George Bush or insufficient government programs, or not enough government programs, then indeed you are not part of the solution.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    According to the red state - blue state breakdown, we already pay more than our share. Most of which goes to those states run by conservatives.
    Red states have more entitlement classers than blue states. Y'all want them to get their handouts, don't bitch when you have fork over the money. This is the system YOU wanted,
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