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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

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    archaic is the failure to evolve. failure to evolve means attachment to the umbilical cord
    Exactly, time to cut the umbilical cord between rich and the tax cuts we allowed them for the last decade without benefit.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

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    Exactly, time to cut the umbilical cord between rich and the tax cuts we allowed them for the last decade without benefit.
    only someone who is deluded into believing that tax cuts are handouts or that the government has the first and best claim on the wealth private citizens create believes such rot.

    what benefit do we rich get for funding your existence and paying for the handouts of so many net tax consumers who do nothing for us

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    only someone who is deluded into believing that tax cuts are handouts or that the government has the first and best claim on the wealth private citizens create believes such rot.

    what benefit do we rich get for funding your existence and paying for the handouts of so many net tax consumers who do nothing for us

    The middle class do not want your handouts, they want the jobs that a decade of tax cuts was supposed to provide.

    I've explained you before the only reason the American people supported lowering tax rates for the wealthy was because of the promise of job creation. Since that did not happen there is no longer a reason to continue to allow them. Its as simple as that.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

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    The middle class do not want your handouts, they want the jobs that a decade of tax cuts was supposed to provide.

    I've explained you before the only reason the American people supported lowering tax rates for the wealthy was because of the promise of job creation. Since that did not happen there is no longer a reason to continue to allow them. Its as simple as that.
    can you prove the idiotic Obama schemes to only allow tax increases on the wealthy will create jobs

    what reason is there to allow people like you to continue to pay for less than you use?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you prove the idiotic Obama schemes to only allow tax increases on the wealthy will create jobs

    what reason is there to allow people like you to continue to pay for less than you use?
    Well, cutting taxes didn't. However, presidents don't create jobs. And taxes play no real role in job creation. So maybe you're asking the wrong question.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, cutting taxes didn't. However, presidents don't create jobs. And taxes play no real role in job creation. So maybe you're asking the wrong question.

    well you might start with the guy who constantly whines that tax cuts didn't create jobs

    but they did keep money from a wasteful government. that was a benefit

    tax hikes on the rich have no objective benefit-slaking the butt hurt hatred of failures who will then vote for the Dems is not an objective benefit

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well you might start with the guy who constantly whines that tax cuts didn't create jobs

    but they did keep money from a wasteful government. that was a benefit

    tax hikes on the rich have no objective benefit-slaking the butt hurt hatred of failures who will then vote for the Dems is not an objective benefit
    We have a huge debt. More revenue helps with that. It has to be part of the debt reduction solution. Now don't skip over the word "part."

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We have a huge debt. More revenue helps with that. It has to be part of the debt reduction solution. Now don't skip over the word "part."

    then raise taxes on everyone and cut spending massively

    that obama won't do either proves that reducing the deficit is just a facade and a pretext for his class warfare pandering.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    then raise taxes on everyone and cut spending massively

    that obama won't do either proves that reducing the deficit is just a facade and a pretext for his class warfare pandering.
    Again, the poor really have nothing to tax, and the middle class spends (thus helping the economy). Returning to he pre-Bush tax cuts would hardly be radical. We did quite well with that rate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you prove the idiotic Obama schemes to only allow tax increases on the wealthy will create jobs
    We have the determination from the CBO that continuing the middle class tax cuts will be more beneficial to the economy than continuing the tax cuts for the wealthy, and we have the 1990's as experience in how that does work. And when we compared that to the failure of trickle down economics, it was an easy decision which way to go.
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