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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If the deductions being proposed are tailored to effect the same group of tax payers, and not touch those in the lower income levels, then there is NO difference.

    The only reason you don't like it is because demo's are in this childish Marxist mindset where they have created a boogyman of "rich people" to attack

    Man you libs are gullible.
    Well, the deductions you spoke of brought forth by Mcconnell will inevitably effect those outside of the top income brackets, due to Mathematical constraints. I was simply refuting the notion that all tax hikes and deductions are created equal as you implied previously.

    Tax hikes of this magnitude are of a Marxist mindset? Perhaps you meant Ike? Reagan? JFK? Carter? Historical accounts of taxation in the 20th century are readily available to those who are curious.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

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    Why would your ideal scenario entail a recession cheered on due to political bias? A tad petulant no?

    Too damned bad....We are gonna hang this around your neck, and in future classrooms it'll be taught that this country went through a near Marxist take over brought on by arrogant little liars that wanted what someone else earned.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No it was the contempt you and other conservatives expressed for the working class and what they have suffered, just as you did above, that lost the election for you.

    So, all I can say is keep it up and we will take the House too in 2014!
    I think not. I and most people I know have the utmost respect for the working class.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Well, the deductions you spoke of brought forth by Mcconnell will inevitably effect those outside of the top income brackets, due to Mathematical constraints. I was simply refuting the notion that all tax hikes and deductions are created equal as you implied previously.

    Tax hikes of this magnitude are of a Marxist mindset? Perhaps you meant Ike? Reagan? JFK? Carter? Historical accounts of taxation in the 20th century are readily available to those who are curious.

    Taxes are goin' up on everyone, either in the open, or hidden in crappy legislation like Health Care. The progressive trash won't be happy until everyone is equally poor.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Too damned bad....We are gonna hang this around your neck, and in future classrooms it'll be taught that this country went through a near Marxist take over brought on by arrogant little liars that wanted what someone else earned.
    LOL! " A near Marxist takeover." Apparently the future will also be overwhelmingly occupied by crackpot revisionist historians as well. But on the real, wishing a recession and hardship upon your fellow Americans due to political sour apples doesn't exactly scream Apple pie and Baseball does it?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since 60% of Americans say let the tax cuts expire for the rich, I trust they will make the right decision, or, rightfully face the consequences in 2014.

    Republicans and Democrats have sharply different reactions to the government's taking such an active role in equalizing economic outcomes. Seven in 10 Democrats believe the government should levy taxes on the rich to redistribute wealth, while an equal proportion of Republicans believe it should not. The slight majority of independents oppose this policy.

    Bottom Line

    While a solid majority of Americans, 57%, believe money and wealth in the U.S. should be more evenly distributed among the people, fewer than half favor using the federal tax code to do so. The fault line in these views is distinctly partisan, with most Democrats championing redistribution and most Republicans opposing it......snip~

    Americans Divided on Taxing the Rich to Redistribute Wealth

    Seems the majority of Americans don't favor using the Federal tax Code to do so......seems that's where some of the confusion comes in. Or that Progressives refuse to acknowledge that fact while saying 60% percent say go ahead and tax the Rich.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Taxes are goin' up on everyone

    hidden in crappy legislation like Health Care
    That's a prediction, not an affirmative statement.

    Yeah.. no, the ACA does indeed include a handful of taxes, but not everyone will be affected. Concentrated increases on non essentials take the prominent role.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    LOL! " A near Marxist takeover." Apparently the future will also be overwhelmingly occupied by crackpot revisionist historians as well. But on the real, wishing a recession and hardship upon your fellow Americans due to political sour apples doesn't exactly scream Apple pie and Baseball does it?

    No, revisionists are what we have now in progressives that are constantly using imaginative language to twist and spin....Either way, the concept is simple, I think we learned it in the 8th grade. When the treasury prints money, they have to have a mechanism to claw that excess back in, Obama, and progressive liberals in Congress have ensured that the pain will be felt by everyone....My choice is only in whether we take responsibility for our foul up in putting this goofball in office, or pass it on to our children....I say we be adults and take the pain we created.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    That's a prediction, not an affirmative statement.

    I got a pretty good track record so far....

    Yeah.. no, the ACA does indeed include a handful of taxes, but not everyone will be affected. Concentrated increases on non essentials take the prominent role.
    It has been laid out recently more than once how this will effect everyone...So I won't reprint it....Just because you stand there with your fingers in your ears screaming 'nuh, uh" doesn't mean that it won't take place...Read up on it young man.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, revisionists are what we have now in progressives that are constantly using imaginative language to twist and spin

    When the treasury prints money

    they have to have a mechanism to claw that excess back in,

    My choice is only in whether we take responsibility for our foul up in putting this goofball in office, or pass it on to our children....I say we be adults and take the pain we created.
    Imaginative huh? Sort of reminds me of this guy who was braying about future heroics that included snuffing out a discreet plot to overthrow the entire country, earning the admiration of school children cross' the land.

    Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

    What excess? Do we have an excess currently? Or could tax hikes simply serve to alter how said money travels about rather than eliminate it completely?

    Wait so "Taking responsibility" would entail causing a Recession as you gleefully suggested prior? In what dimension would these two concepts mesh in the slightest?

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