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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    The republicans need to vote present, the tea party needs to vote no, and then everyone will be happy. The democrats who are forcing a republican hand will get exactly what they want. Republicans will save face with their voters. Tea Partiers will do what they were elected to do. Everyone wins.

    This debate right here is exactly the reason a two party system doesn't work. It is like having two 50% owners in a business. They can lock each other out if wanted.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the health care law imposes a 25% increase in the tax rate on investment income on the rich
    So, taxes were raised.
    Now that's done, we can move forward or did he mean additional taxes...
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    If and I mean IF the president wanted to work together with Reps to save this economy he would be willing to compromise and if Reps could raise the revenues he wants without breaking their no new tax pledge he would sign the bill. He has done the exact opposite and flatly stated he will not sign a bill that does not raise taxes and we are all pawns to be sacrificed in his quest for power.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Give obama everything he wants. (With the exception of the unlimited debt ceiling.) Then, when the plan comes to a vote, all Republicans should vote "present". That way, when the plan fails, obama and the democrats can take full responsibility for the economy.
    In the end, the people will finally see that obama has been full of **** this whole time.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Or, you know, the President is being realistic and facing the stone cold fact that we can't balance the budget without raising taxes.
    No. Being REALISTIC means acknowledging that the tax hikes he is proposing will not do a daggum thing to balance the budget. Realistically we could have top tax rates at 90% (and we have, before) without raising more revenue.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    So what EXACTLY is the "sack full of magic beans" plan for fixing the fiscal cliff if at least PART OF IT can't be raising taxes on the wealthiest of all Americans?

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Obama is playing politics with the lives of us Americans he supposedly is in office to do good things for. His statement that he will not sign a bill that does not raise taxes on the rich proves he is more interested in destroying Republicans than he is in leading us out of this horrible economy.
    The GOP is doing the EXACT same thing by saying they REFUSE to sign ANYTHING that raises taxes.

    Both sides are digging their heals into the ground and the American people will suffer in one way or another with BOTH sides doing this type of ****.

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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Give obama everything he wants. (With the exception of the unlimited debt ceiling.) Then, when the plan comes to a vote, all Republicans should vote "present". That way, when the plan fails, obama and the democrats can take full responsibility for the economy.
    In the end, the people will finally see that obama has been full of **** this whole time.
    The unlimited debt ceiling should never be on the table. Who would think that is ok? I would be ok to them tying it to a percentage of the GDP, but not a unlimited ceiling.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Why is this administration constantly doing the vote for it now, find out what you get later?

    This is what happened with Obamacare, and this is what they want to happen with our taxes and entitlement reform? Give me a break. Clear and simple plans...present them, argue them, vote for or against. No more vote now and see what we got later.
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    Re: No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If and I mean IF the president wanted to work together with Reps to save this economy he would be willing to compromise and if Reps could raise the revenues he wants without breaking their no new tax pledge he would sign the bill. He has done the exact opposite and flatly stated he will not sign a bill that does not raise taxes and we are all pawns to be sacrificed in his quest for power.
    The GOP cannot SPECIFICALLY say HOW they are going to raise revenue without raising taxes. They gave a vague statement with no substance. Likewise, the Dems need to compromise and show specific cuts and not just to defense.

    Are people finally starting to see how the two sides are failing or are there still those out there that feel "their" side is the good guys and the other is the bad guy?

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