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Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

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Egypt's Mursi leaves palace as police battle protesters

(Reuters) - Egyptian police battled thousands of protesters outside President Mohamed Mursi's palace in Cairo on Tuesday, prompting the Islamist leader to leave the building, presidency sources said.

Officers fired teargas at up to 10,000 demonstrators angered by Mursi's drive to hold a referendum on a new constitution on December 15. Some broke through police lines around his palace and protested next to the perimeter wall.

The crowds had gathered nearby in what organizers had dubbed "last warning" protests against Mursi, who infuriated opponents with a November 22 decree that expanded his powers. "The people want the downfall of the regime," the demonstrators chanted.

"The president left the palace," a presidential source, who declined to be named, told Reuters. A security source at the presidency also said the president had departed.

Mursi ignited a storm of unrest in his bid to prevent a judiciary still packed with appointees of ousted predecessor Hosni Mubarak from derailing a troubled political transition.

Facing the gravest crisis of his six-month-old tenure, the Islamist president has shown no sign of buckling under pressure.

Riot police at the palace faced off against activists chanting "leave, leave" and holding Egyptian flags with "no to the constitution" written on them. Protesters had assembled near mosques in northern Cairo before marching towards the palace.

"Our marches are against tyranny and the void constitutional decree and we won't retract our position until our demands are met," said Hussein Abdel Ghany, a spokesman for an opposition coalition of liberal, leftist and other disparate factions.

Protesters later surrounded the palace, with some climbing on gates at the rear to look down into the gardens.

At one point, people clambered onto a police armored vehicle and waved flags, while riot police huddled nearby.

The Health Ministry said 18 people had been injured in clashes next to the palace, according to the state news agency.

Read more:Egypt's Mursi leaves palace as police battle protesters | Reuters


Thanks Obama for taking out our ally and supporting the Arab Spring and now we have a dictator worse than the other dictator. At least Mubarak kept the peace with Israel.

Hard to believe the Egyptian people voted this guy in. They live in the ME and didn't realize what the MB stood for??? Are you kidding me??? Guess it's like the American people voting Obama back in...they have no idea what they are in for.

Wonder when we'll hear from Obama about this power grab?? Never??? That's about it. I think he's too busy playing golf and getting ready for his Hawaii vacation.
 
Obama made the same mistake Bush did in Iraq IMHO. You cannot rid yourself of all the people who are in charge of government services and expect people to be happy when they are free to sit in the dark, hungry. He (as in his administration) really should have shown some more hands on leadership to assist in a transition from Mubarak. Patriarchal societies do not evolve overnight.
 
During the Iraq war, all we heard was "why go after Hussein?" and "we had him where we wanted, so why push it?"

I can't help but think the same thing about Mubarek and Egypt. Did Obama really think the Muslim Brotherhood were any other way than how they've been? If so, he's more gullible than I thought.
 
This is all going purdy much as I predicted.
 
Thanks Obama for taking out our ally and supporting the Arab Spring and now we have a dictator worse than the other dictator. At least Mubarak kept the peace with Israel.

Obama didn't oust Mubarak. The Egyptian people and generals did. Besides, Morsi, authoritarian dick that he is, helped negotiate the ceasefire between Gaza and Israel. Things between Israel and Egypt are not going back to what they were under Mubarak, but the current government hasn't really threatened Israel.

Hard to believe the Egyptian people voted this guy in. They live in the ME and didn't realize what the MB stood for??? Are you kidding me??? Guess it's like the American people voting Obama back in...they have no idea what they are in for.

The MB stand for a lot of things besides Islamism. Most Egyptians care about jobs and ending corruption. The MB built its platform on both. Under Mubarak the MB was probably the best organized political movement outside of the government. They built hospitals and schools, led unions, and provided many services to the poor that the government did not. Since the revolution, the MB has tried to show itself as the most moderate Islamist party, promising relative equality for women and religious minorities, and focusing on creating a more pluralistic state than the military did. It also didn't hurt that the liberal parties were badly divided and squabbling.

Obviously, they were no liberals, and their rise troubled me, and should have troubled anyone interested in personal liberty. But my hope was that they wouldn't overplay their hand. Even now, Morsi's power grab seems to be borne out of frustration with much of the old elite remaining in power, not some desire to emulate the Taliban. Yeah, Islamists suck, and Morsi's a dick, but Egyptian politics are pretty complex.

Wonder when we'll hear from Obama about this power grab?? Never??? That's about it. I think he's too busy playing golf and getting ready for his Hawaii vacation.

Obama is largely irrelevant to this whole thing. Obama supported Mubarak until it became apparent that he was getting kicked out sooner rather than later. The administration had nothing to do with the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. Not everything in the world is our doing.
 
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Thanks Obama for taking out our ally and supporting the Arab Spring and now we have a dictator worse than the other dictator. At least Mubarak kept the peace with Israel.
I would take Morsi any day before Mubarak. At least Morsi was elected in an election... Sure Morsi isnt perfect but a hell of a lot better than Mubarak. And plus new democracies arent the celanist of practices.
Also Egypt is still at peace with Israel.

Hard to believe the Egyptian people voted this guy in. They live in the ME and didn't realize what the MB stood for??? Are you kidding me???
You do realize that there is large part of the Egyptian population that does agree with Morsi and still stand by him right?
LIVE UPDATES: Violent clashes explode between pro, anti-Morsi forces - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online
Pro-Morsi protests in Egypt | Al Bawaba

Guess it's like the American people voting Obama back in...they have no idea what they are in for.
Good one :neutral:
 
I would take Morsi any day before Mubarak. At least Morsi was elected in an election... Sure Morsi isnt perfect but a hell of a lot better than Mubarak. And plus new democracies arent the celanist of practices.
Also Egypt is still at peace with Israel.


You do realize that there is large part of the Egyptian population that does agree with Morsi and still stand by him right?
LIVE UPDATES: Violent clashes explode between pro, anti-Morsi forces - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online
Pro-Morsi protests in Egypt | Al Bawaba


Good one :neutral:


Hey, I could actually care less about freaking Egypt. I only care about the well being of Israel. If they leave them alone they can have Sharia Law up the ****ing ying yang as far as I care. They can beat, whip, mutilate, stone, behead each other all they want.
 
Obama was very vocal in his support of protesters trying to oust Mubarak, why so quiet now I wonder?

Morsi is anti-American, so that makes him a good guy in Obama's book.
 
Hey, I could actually care less about freaking Egypt. I only care about the well being of Israel. If they leave them alone they can have Sharia Law up the ****ing ying yang as far as I care. They can beat, whip, mutilate, stone, behead each other all they want.

Your first post didnt seem that way at all.
But ok whatever :roll:
 
During the Iraq war, all we heard was "why go after Hussein?" and "we had him where we wanted, so why push it?"

I can't help but think the same thing about Mubarek and Egypt. Did Obama really think the Muslim Brotherhood were any other way than how they've been? If so, he's more gullible than I thought.
The difference being Mubarak was pushed out overwhelmingly due to pressures from the Egyptian people with the backing of the international community at large, and the democratic movement that was sweeping the region as a whole. Incomparable really.
 
Obama made the same mistake Bush did in Iraq IMHO. You cannot rid yourself of all the people who are in charge of government services and expect people to be happy when they are free to sit in the dark, hungry. He (as in his administration) really should have shown some more hands on leadership to assist in a transition from Mubarak. Patriarchal societies do not evolve overnight.

How many troops did we lose in taking out Mubarak again? You know, sometimes **** happens. The Egyptian revolution was going to take place without any involvement from us. Of course, we could have poured thousands of troops into Egypt and slaughtered those demanding his ouster. Apparently that's what the chicken hawk neo-cons wanted.
 
The difference being Mubarak was pushed out overwhelmingly due to pressures from the Egyptian people with the backing of the international community at large, and the democratic movement that was sweeping the region as a whole. Incomparable really.

Look, there are a lot of people who hate Obama so much they're willing and anxious to blame him for everything that, in their eyes, goes wrong in the world. They're the folks who like nothing better than getting us involved in other people's revolutions - generally on the wrong side.
 
Obama didn't oust Mubarak. The Egyptian people and generals did. Besides, Morsi, authoritarian dick that he is, helped negotiate the ceasefire between Gaza and Israel. Things between Israel and Egypt are not going back to what they were under Mubarak, but the current government hasn't really threatened Israel.



The MB stand for a lot of things besides Islamism. Most Egyptians care about jobs and ending corruption. The MB built its platform on both. Under Mubarak the MB was probably the best organized political movement outside of the government. They built hospitals and schools, led unions, and provided many services to the poor that the government did not. Since the revolution, the MB has tried to show itself as the most moderate Islamist party, promising relative equality for women and religious minorities, and focusing on creating a more pluralistic state than the military did. It also didn't hurt that the liberal parties were badly divided and squabbling.

Obviously, they were no liberals, and their rise troubled me, and should have troubled anyone interested in personal liberty. But my hope was that they wouldn't overplay their hand. Even now, Morsi's power grab seems to be borne out of frustration with much of the old elite remaining in power, not some desire to emulate the Taliban. Yeah, Islamists suck, and Morsi's a dick, but Egyptian politics are pretty complex.



Obama is largely irrelevant to this whole thing. Obama supported Mubarak until it became apparent that he was getting kicked out sooner rather than later. The administration had nothing to do with the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. Not everything in the world is our doing.

Don't you know that, to the right wing zealots, everything bad that happens in the world is Obama's fault?
 
Morsi is anti-American, so that makes him a good guy in Obama's book.

Sorry, but that is just an incredibly stupid post.
 
How many troops did we lose in taking out Mubarak again? You know, sometimes **** happens. The Egyptian revolution was going to take place without any involvement from us. Of course, we could have poured thousands of troops into Egypt and slaughtered those demanding his ouster. Apparently that's what the chicken hawk neo-cons wanted.

A word of support for an orderly transition from the POTUS carries as much weight as "Mubarak must go" and costs zero lives. A word of support for the military in Egypt to help stand up a more moderate government might have helped too. Wonder what all those CIA agents were doing in Benghazi with weapons depots? Hummm......
 
A word of support for an orderly transition from the POTUS carries as much weight as "Mubarak must go" and costs zero lives. A word of support for the military in Egypt to help stand up a more moderate government might have helped too. Wonder what all those CIA agents were doing in Benghazi with weapons depots? Hummm......

So in your world, all it would have taken was for Obama to say to the protesters 'Hey, stop that you guys!' and the revolution would have ceased, whereupon Mubarak would have willingly surrendered power to the 'moderates' (whatever the hell they are) in Egypt?

You actually believe that?

The Egyptian Revolution was inevitable, and like all Revolutions, was led by the radicals.
 
So democracy is alive and well in Egypt and it didn't cost us $3T and a civil war like it did in Iraq, and somehow, conservatives think this is a bad thing.

That's why nobody takes conservatives seriously anymore.

Real democracy is tumultuous and it will take time to take root in Egypt (after decades of the US supporting a dictator). Looks like Obama has done everything right so far. Thank God Romney or Bush aren't in office -- they'd invade Venezuela on the pretext that the Muslim brotherhood has WMD there.
 
He is also anti Israel, another plus in berry's book.

Every Arab leader is anti-Israel. Israel is a big boy and can take it.

I'm afraid one of the things about democracy is that people get to make their own foreign policy. Get used to it. The days of GOP presidents supporting dictators is over.
 
Every Arab leader is anti-Israel. Israel is a big boy and can take it.

I'm afraid one of the things about democracy is that people get to make their own foreign policy. Get used to it. The days of GOP presidents supporting dictators is over.

Yeah, now it's the Democrats that do that.
 
Yeah, now it's the Democrats that do that.

In your fantasy world.

What happened to Bush's friend in Libya? Gone.

What happened to Mubarak. Gone.

What is happening to Assad. Soon to be gone.

All on Obama's watch and all without spending trillions and invading countries and making enemies.

See, grownups know how to do this. Conservatives don't.
 
In your fantasy world.

What happened to Bush's friend in Libya? Gone.

What happened to Mubarak. Gone.

What is happening to Assad. Soon to be gone.

All on Obama's watch and all without spending trillions and invading countries and making enemies.

See, grownups know how to do this. Conservatives don't.

Yeah, because Obama supports all the dictators...even bows to them...LMFAO!!!
 
Every Arab leader is anti-Israel. Israel is a big boy and can take it.

I'm afraid one of the things about democracy is that people get to make their own foreign policy. Get used to it. The days of GOP presidents supporting dictators is over.

So you haven't noticed the new elected Egyptian leader is in the process of becoming a new dictator? What do you think all the riots are about? I guess the days of DNC presidents supporting dictators is beginning. Actually dem presidents supported Mubarak too but I am just playing your silly game to amuse myself.
 
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