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Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

So you haven't noticed the new elected Egyptian leader is in the process of becoming a new dictator? What do you think all the riots are about? I guess the days of DNC presidents supporting dictators is beginning. Actually dem presidents supported Mubarak too but I am just playing your silly game to amuse myself.

So you haven't noticed that the new politics of Egypt is complex, and that we need to back off and let them figure it out?

Or are you proposing invading like Bush did in Iraq?

It's a good thing that Morsi is feeling the heat. The last thing we need to do is have George Bush start jammering about nation building and WMDs. Let the Egyptians make their own history, for Christ's sake. It isn't always about you.
 
So you haven't noticed that the new politics of Egypt is complex, and that we need to back off and let them figure it out?

Or are you proposing invading like Bush did in Iraq?

It's a good thing that Morsi is feeling the heat. The last thing we need to do is have George Bush start jammering about nation building and WMDs. Let the Egyptians make their own history, for Christ's sake. It isn't always about you.

So you seem to have a double standard, it was fine for obama to come out in support of overthrowing Mubarak and fine for him to remain silent now.
 
So democracy is alive and well in Egypt and it didn't cost us $3T and a civil war like it did in Iraq, and somehow, conservatives think this is a bad thing.

That's why nobody takes conservatives seriously anymore.

Real democracy is tumultuous and it will take time to take root in Egypt (after decades of the US supporting a dictator). Looks like Obama has done everything right so far. Thank God Romney or Bush aren't in office -- they'd invade Venezuela on the pretext that the Muslim brotherhood has WMD there.

Then reality sets in!
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U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton weighed into Egypt's political debate, saying dialogue was urgently needed on the new constitution, which should "respect the rights of all citizens".
Clinton and Mursi worked together last month to broker a truce between Israel and Hamas Islamists in the Gaza Strip.
"It needs to be a two-way dialogue ... among Egyptians themselves about the constitutional process and the substance of the constitution," Clinton told a news conference in Brussels.

Washington is worried about rising Islamist power in Egypt, a staunch security partner under Mubarak, who preserved Cairo's peace treaty with Israel, a pact still bolstered by billions of dollars of U.S. military and economic assistance.

Brotherhood spokesman Mahmoud Ghozlan was quoted on its Facebook page as saying opposition groups "imagined they could shake legitimacy or impose their views by force".

Officials said 35 protesters and 40 police were wounded.

Opposition leaders have urged Mursi to scrap his decree, defer the referendum and agree to revise the constitution, but have not echoed protesters' calls for his overthrow.

The army, the muscle behind all previous Egyptian presidents in the republic's six-decade history, has gone back to barracks, having apparently lost its appetite to intervene in politics.

In a bold move, Mursi sacked Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, the Mubarak-era army commander and defence minister, in August and removed the sweeping powers that the military council, which took over after Mubarak fell, had grabbed two months earlier.

The liberals, leftists, Christians, ex-Mubarak followers and others opposed to Mursi have yet to generate a mass movement or a grassroots political base to challenge the Brotherhood.

Egypt has turned to the IMF for a $4.8 billion loan to help it out of a crisis that has depleted its foreign currency reserves. The government said on Wednesday the process was on track and its request would go to the IMF board as expected......snip

Rivals clash as Mursi's deputy seeks end to Egypt crisis - Yahoo! News Canada

So making sure their Constitution is subservient to Sharia law is Democracy? Course Hillary Crying out they need to respect the rights of women and gays. Her coming out and saying such not once but twice and then at the UN too, kinda leaves that theory where it belongs. In the Wind!

Guess that's why no one listens to Progressives spin their own stories and make up Shiznit on the fly as they go. Especially when it comes to Foreign Affairs. Where the Left has been Weighed and Measured!

Notice that's 4.8 billion from the IM and that's not even counting what Clinton gave them.
 
Yeah, I know you don't.

Wow, enough with the clever repartee. Better just post another meme. How about the 55 state meme or the teleprompter meme, or the affirmative action meme.

I mean, it's all you got, really, isn't it?
 
Wow, enough with the clever repartee. Better just post another meme. How about the 55 state meme or the teleprompter meme, or the affirmative action meme.

I mean, it's all you got, really, isn't it?

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Wow, enough with the clever repartee. Better just post another meme. How about the 55 state meme or the teleprompter meme, or the affirmative action meme.

I mean, it's all you got, really, isn't it?


Mind if I borrow that Mirror ya lookin in.
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Egypt's Mursi leaves palace as police battle protesters

(Reuters) - Egyptian police battled thousands of protesters outside President Mohamed Mursi's palace in Cairo on Tuesday, prompting the Islamist leader to leave the building, presidency sources said.

Officers fired teargas at up to 10,000 demonstrators angered by Mursi's drive to hold a referendum on a new constitution on December 15. Some broke through police lines around his palace and protested next to the perimeter wall.

The crowds had gathered nearby in what organizers had dubbed "last warning" protests against Mursi, who infuriated opponents with a November 22 decree that expanded his powers. "The people want the downfall of the regime," the demonstrators chanted.

"The president left the palace," a presidential source, who declined to be named, told Reuters. A security source at the presidency also said the president had departed.

Mursi ignited a storm of unrest in his bid to prevent a judiciary still packed with appointees of ousted predecessor Hosni Mubarak from derailing a troubled political transition.

Facing the gravest crisis of his six-month-old tenure, the Islamist president has shown no sign of buckling under pressure.

Riot police at the palace faced off against activists chanting "leave, leave" and holding Egyptian flags with "no to the constitution" written on them. Protesters had assembled near mosques in northern Cairo before marching towards the palace.

"Our marches are against tyranny and the void constitutional decree and we won't retract our position until our demands are met," said Hussein Abdel Ghany, a spokesman for an opposition coalition of liberal, leftist and other disparate factions.

Protesters later surrounded the palace, with some climbing on gates at the rear to look down into the gardens.

At one point, people clambered onto a police armored vehicle and waved flags, while riot police huddled nearby.

The Health Ministry said 18 people had been injured in clashes next to the palace, according to the state news agency.

Read more:Egypt's Mursi leaves palace as police battle protesters | Reuters


Thanks Obama for taking out our ally and supporting the Arab Spring and now we have a dictator worse than the other dictator. At least Mubarak kept the peace with Israel.

Hard to believe the Egyptian people voted this guy in. They live in the ME and didn't realize what the MB stood for??? Are you kidding me??? Guess it's like the American people voting Obama back in...they have no idea what they are in for.

Wonder when we'll hear from Obama about this power grab?? Never??? That's about it. I think he's too busy playing golf and getting ready for his Hawaii vacation.

Morsi doesn't live in the presidential palace.. he just works there.. He lives in an Apartment.

Secondly.. both Sunni Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood are delinking from rigid ideology... Watch .. its subtle but steadily happening...

and the new Constitution is quite secular in nature.
 
Morsi doesn't live in the presidential palace.. he just works there.. He lives in an Apartment.

Secondly.. both Sunni Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood are delinking from rigid ideology... Watch .. its subtle but steadily happening...

and the new Constitution is quite secular in nature.


CAIRO (Reuters) - Islamists battled with protesters outside Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi's palace on Thursday, after his vice president suggested amendments could be agreed to the draft constitution that has divided the nation.

"No to dictatorship," Mursi's opponents chanted, while their rivals chanted: "Defending Mursi is defending Islam."

Mursi's opponents accused him of creating a new autocracy by awarding himself extraordinary powers in a decree on November 22 and were further angered when an Islamist-dominated assembly pushed through a draft constitution that opponents said did not properly represent the aspirations of the whole nation.

Medical sources said 211 people were wounded, some with gunshot wounds.....snip~

Rivals clash as Mursi's deputy seeks end to Egypt crisis - Yahoo! News Canada


What :spin: was ya tryin for here Sharon? Morsi thats his Palace now. Whether he chooses to live in it or not.

Neither Sunni nor the MB are delinking from Rigid Ideology.....I would not mistake using whatever means to achieve their Grand Delusion as delinking. The only thing they have learned to do is.....learn how to play the game. Still it has taken them over 4k years. Just to learn those basics . Plus to wake up to the Stunning reality. That the rest of the planet will not keep putting up their BS. Do you think the MB has now figured out that they Are NOT the Brightest Bulb in the Room anymore? That actually their Candlelight cannot even compare to All the World on a Stage!

Looks like with what the VP and all else were saying.....that Constitution doesn't looks so Secular now having to take a back seat to Sharia. First off.....don't you think the Egyptians should come up with their own name for the Piece of paper they want to define their country with? Why should we even let them call it a Constitution. As really there is only one!
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CAIRO (Reuters) - Islamists battled with protesters outside Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi's palace on Thursday, after his vice president suggested amendments could be agreed to the draft constitution that has divided the nation.

"No to dictatorship," Mursi's opponents chanted, while their rivals chanted: "Defending Mursi is defending Islam."

Mursi's opponents accused him of creating a new autocracy by awarding himself extraordinary powers in a decree on November 22 and were further angered when an Islamist-dominated assembly pushed through a draft constitution that opponents said did not properly represent the aspirations of the whole nation.

Medical sources said 211 people were wounded, some with gunshot wounds.....snip~

Rivals clash as Mursi's deputy seeks end to Egypt crisis - Yahoo! News Canada


What :spin: was ya tryin for here Sharon? Morsi thats his Palace now. Whether he chooses to live in it or not.

Neither Sunni nor the MB are delinking from Rigid Ideology.....I would not mistake using whatever means to achieve their Grand Delusion as delinking. The only thing they have learned to do is.....learn how to play the game. Still it has taken them over 4k years. Just to learn those basics . Plus to wake up to the Stunning reality. That the rest of the planet will not keep putting up their BS. Do you think the MB has now figured out that they Are NOT the Brightest Bulb in the Room anymore? That actually their Candlelight cannot even compare to All the World on a Stage!

Looks like with what the VP and all else were saying.....that Constitution doesn't looks so Secular now having to take a back seat to Sharia. First off.....don't you think the Egyptians should come up with their own name for the Piece of paper they want to define their country with? Why should we even let them call it a Constitution. As really there is only one!
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Less than 10% of Egyptians are upset. The rest know that the vote on the Constitution comes in less than ten days. Egyptians call it a constitution just like they called it a constitution in 1971.

I assume you have read both. Article 73 of the new Constitution address the ban on forced employment, slavery and sex trafficking. Article 33 grants rights to ALL citizens.. male or female.

Meanwhile change is coming even to conservative KSA.. with colored Abayas, co-ed education, reigning in the religious police...

In the past few months top religious officials, including the minister of justice and the head of the religious police in the Mecca region, which includes Jeddah, have declared ikhtilat a modern term not proscribed by Islamic law.

Saudi jurisprudence has erred, they say, by confusing conservative tribal custom with the rules of sharia, thus lumping the innocent mingling of the sexes with the true sin of khulwa, meaning an unmarried, unrelated couple’s “seclusion” in a setting that could tempt devilishness. In support of this argument, they note that wives in the Prophet Muhammad’s time are known to have served male guests and that even today, Saudis rely on maids and drivers in a practical form of daily ikhtilat.

Rethinking ikhtilat in Saudi Arabia « The Immanent Frame

Morsi is about political Islam NOT Sharia law...And political Islam cannot isolate from the Europe or the US.. The MB is pragmatic ...
 
Political Islam is pragmatic.. and the Egypt cannot afford to isolate from Europe and the US.... Plus they are Sunni.

Islam fell behind during a long period of illiteracy. .. confusing tribal customs with Sharia Law.

The people in the street represent about ten % of Egyptians... Everyone else knows the vote comes in less than ten days..

Even conservative Saudi Arabia has redefined khulwa and ikhtilat .. Job opportunities have opened for women as well as co-ed education. Women are wearing light colored abayas and scarves, or dark ones with braid and embroidery.

The head of the religious police is an enlightened liberal..

I'll write more later and give you links to read.. when the board stops conking out.
 
Less than 10% of Egyptians are upset. The rest know that the vote on the Constitution comes in less than ten days. Egyptians call it a constitution just like they called it a constitution in 1971.

I assume you have read both. Article 73 of the new Constitution address the ban on forced employment, slavery and sex trafficking. Article 33 grants rights to ALL citizens.. male or female.

Meanwhile change is coming even to conservative KSA.. with colored Abayas, co-ed education, reigning in the religious police...

In the past few months top religious officials, including the minister of justice and the head of the religious police in the Mecca region, which includes Jeddah, have declared ikhtilat a modern term not proscribed by Islamic law.

Saudi jurisprudence has erred, they say, by confusing conservative tribal custom with the rules of sharia, thus lumping the innocent mingling of the sexes with the true sin of khulwa, meaning an unmarried, unrelated couple’s “seclusion” in a setting that could tempt devilishness. In support of this argument, they note that wives in the Prophet Muhammad’s time are known to have served male guests and that even today, Saudis rely on maids and drivers in a practical form of daily ikhtilat.

Rethinking ikhtilat in Saudi Arabia « The Immanent Frame

Morsi is about political Islam NOT Sharia law...And political Islam cannot isolate from the Europe or the US.. The MB is pragmatic ...


Mursi yesterday ordered the retrial of Mubarak-era officials, fired the prosecutor-general and blocked legal challenges to the assembly writing a new constitution, which secular and Christian groups have said is dominated by Islamists.

Mursi Decree Fuels Egyptian Protests, Raises U.S. Concern - Bloomberg

Indeed they are about Political Islam.....this doesn't mean Creating a Fascist Religious Political movement needs to be accepted anywheres. Perhaps the Sunni Muslims and the MB should look to reality, before they start talking shiznit out the side of their mouths. Rather then trying to feign Ignornace when called upon such.

I don't think Hillary stepping out 3 times to reinforce the facts about Womens Rights and Religious Freedoms.....was all done just for the sake of Pretense and PC.

And no.....I didn't read an Egyptian Piece of Paper that they have not decided anything on yet.
 
King Abdullah also loosened some other restraints on women.

In 2009, he established the first mixed-gender university campus in Saudi Arabia. At the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology, the religious police do not operate on-site. Women are allowed to mix freely with men, to drive on campus and they are not required to wear veils in the coeducational classes.

In 2010, King Abdullah initiated a foreign study scholarship program for Saudi citizens and roughly 25 percent of those sent abroad to study are women.


Read more: Latest news, Latest News Headlines, news articles, news video, news photos - UPI.com
 
Rethinking ikhtilat in Saudi Arabia « The Immanent Frame

King Abdullah’s appointment in January of Al Shaikh was also seen as a reformist move. Al Shaikh has a relatively liberal image, having argued in the past that ikhtilat, the social mixing of men and women, isn’t proscribed by Islamic law, and that women should be allowed to work even if it involves encountering men.

Abdullah tries to loosen restrictions | GulfNews.com

Hows that Saudi Law working out in Egypt? Currently?

"We are in a state of revolution. He is crazy of he thinks he can go back to one-man rule," one protester, Sara Khalili, said of Morsi. "If the Brotherhood's slogan is `Islam is the solution' ours is `submission is not the solution'," said Khalili, a mass communications professor at the American University in Cairo. "God does not call for submission to another man's will.".....snip~
 
King Abdullah also loosened some other restraints on women.

In 2009, he established the first mixed-gender university campus in Saudi Arabia. At the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology, the religious police do not operate on-site. Women are allowed to mix freely with men, to drive on campus and they are not required to wear veils in the coeducational classes.

In 2010, King Abdullah initiated a foreign study scholarship program for Saudi citizens and roughly 25 percent of those sent abroad to study are women.


Read more: Latest news, Latest News Headlines, news articles, news video, news photos - UPI.com

Can you not understand that this is retarded development resulting from a totalitarian regime, and that development would be much more rapid under an open democracy? It's as if no matter how much a dictator holds development back, you'll cheer him for every inch of progress that he "allows".

We get the same crap from Stalin apologists. They point to the USSR's early advancements as if such could not have been far better under freedom. Yes, progress happens and much more slowly under dictators. The tiny bit of development that does occur under dictatoship should be attributed to the people and not the dictator who concedes.

It's like someone is starving another person but gives them a tiny bit of bread, and you cheer about the morsel and go on and on about its great size and how wonderful it is, while the victim continues to starve. Ludicrous.
 
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Morsi also faces the prospect of wider civil disobedience as media, the tourism industry and law professors pondered moves that would build on a strike by the nation's judges. The planned strikes and march raise new fears of unrest, threatening to derail the country's transition to democratic rule. "Egypt is a big ship in high seas, and no one should stop its captain from taking it to the shore," said Morsi's legal adviser, Mohammed Gaballah, defending his boss. "The ship must keep moving under any conditions," he told The Associated Press on Monday.

The country's judges have already gone on strike over Morsi's Nov. 22 decrees that placed him above oversight of any kind, including the courts. Following those decrees, a panel dominated by the president's Islamist supporters rushed through a draft constitution without the participation of representatives of liberals and Christians. Only four women, all Islamists, attended the marathon, all-night session. Morsi has called for a Dec. 15 national referendum to approve the constitution.

An opposition coalition dominated by the liberal and leftist groups that led last year's uprising had already called for a general strike Tuesday and a large demonstration against the constitutional process and Morsi's decrees. Newspapers plan to suspend publication, and privately owned TV networks will blacken their screens all day. Monday's front pages of Egypt's most prominent newspapers said, "No to dictatorship" on a black background, with a picture of a man wrapped in newspaper and with his feet shackled while he squatted in a prison cell.

Hotels and restaurants are considering turning off their lights for a half-hour to protest against Morsi, according to the Supporting Tourism Coalition, an independent body representing industry employees. Cairo University law professors petitioned their dean to let them stop teaching. "The professors believe they must not teach law under a regime that doesn't respect the law," said one of the professors, Khaled Abu Bakr.....snip~

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Hows that Saudi Law working out in Egypt? Currently?

"We are in a state of revolution. He is crazy of he thinks he can go back to one-man rule," one protester, Sara Khalili, said of Morsi. "If the Brotherhood's slogan is `Islam is the solution' ours is `submission is not the solution'," said Khalili, a mass communications professor at the American University in Cairo. "God does not call for submission to another man's will.".....snip~

Its hot air. Read the new Constitution.. Khalili evidently hasen't.

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From Washington, President Barack Obama called Morsi to express "deep concern" about the deaths and injuries of protesters in Egypt, according to a White House statement.

The statement Thursday night said that Obama told Morsi that he and other political leaders in Egypt must make clear to their supporters that violence is unacceptable. Obama welcomed Morsi's call for a dialogue with opposition leaders in Egypt but stressed that such a dialogue should occur without preconditions. The United States also has urged opposition leaders to join in talks without preconditions.

Earlier Thursday, Morsi's troubles grew when another of his advisers quit to protest his handling of the crisis, raising to seven the number of those in his 17-person inner circle who have abandoned him. The only Christian in a group of four presidential assistants has also quit.

Violence persisted into the night, with a group of protesters attacking the Cairo headquarters of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood, ransacking the ground floor. Another group of protesters attacked the Brotherhood's offices in the Cairo district of Maadi. Outside the president's house in his hometown of Zagazig, 50 miles north of Cairo, police fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of protesters, security officials said.

During his speech, Morsi repeated earlier assertions that a conspiracy against the state was behind his move to assume near unrestricted powers, but he did not reveal any details of the plot.

"We raise Egypt's flag but they raise the Brotherhood flag. This is the difference," Cairo protester Magdi Farag said as he held the tri-colored national flag stained with blood from his friend's injury in the clashes.....snip~

News from The Associated Press


A minority of Egyptians Sharon? Can you explain away why they are attacking the MB all over the place in Egypt if it is only 10% of the Population?
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Do you think about which Flag they Raise as oppose to the one the MB raises.....Says a Whole Lot? Doesn't It!
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