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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    hahaha


    Good one.
    Rethinking ikhtilat in Saudi Arabia « The Immanent Frame

    King Abdullah’s appointment in January of Al Shaikh was also seen as a reformist move. Al Shaikh has a relatively liberal image, having argued in the past that ikhtilat, the social mixing of men and women, isn’t proscribed by Islamic law, and that women should be allowed to work even if it involves encountering men.

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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Less than 10% of Egyptians are upset. The rest know that the vote on the Constitution comes in less than ten days. Egyptians call it a constitution just like they called it a constitution in 1971.

    I assume you have read both. Article 73 of the new Constitution address the ban on forced employment, slavery and sex trafficking. Article 33 grants rights to ALL citizens.. male or female.

    Meanwhile change is coming even to conservative KSA.. with colored Abayas, co-ed education, reigning in the religious police...

    In the past few months top religious officials, including the minister of justice and the head of the religious police in the Mecca region, which includes Jeddah, have declared ikhtilat a modern term not proscribed by Islamic law.

    Saudi jurisprudence has erred, they say, by confusing conservative tribal custom with the rules of sharia, thus lumping the innocent mingling of the sexes with the true sin of khulwa, meaning an unmarried, unrelated couple’s “seclusion” in a setting that could tempt devilishness. In support of this argument, they note that wives in the Prophet Muhammad’s time are known to have served male guests and that even today, Saudis rely on maids and drivers in a practical form of daily ikhtilat.

    Rethinking ikhtilat in Saudi Arabia « The Immanent Frame

    Morsi is about political Islam NOT Sharia law...And political Islam cannot isolate from the Europe or the US.. The MB is pragmatic ...

    Mursi yesterday ordered the retrial of Mubarak-era officials, fired the prosecutor-general and blocked legal challenges to the assembly writing a new constitution, which secular and Christian groups have said is dominated by Islamists.

    Mursi Decree Fuels Egyptian Protests, Raises U.S. Concern - Bloomberg

    Indeed they are about Political Islam.....this doesn't mean Creating a Fascist Religious Political movement needs to be accepted anywheres. Perhaps the Sunni Muslims and the MB should look to reality, before they start talking shiznit out the side of their mouths. Rather then trying to feign Ignornace when called upon such.

    I don't think Hillary stepping out 3 times to reinforce the facts about Womens Rights and Religious Freedoms.....was all done just for the sake of Pretense and PC.

    And no.....I didn't read an Egyptian Piece of Paper that they have not decided anything on yet.

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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Al Shaikh has a relatively liberal image,
    Oh, you meant "enlightened liberal" according to cavemen. Ok.

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    King Abdullah also loosened some other restraints on women.

    In 2009, he established the first mixed-gender university campus in Saudi Arabia. At the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology, the religious police do not operate on-site. Women are allowed to mix freely with men, to drive on campus and they are not required to wear veils in the coeducational classes.

    In 2010, King Abdullah initiated a foreign study scholarship program for Saudi citizens and roughly 25 percent of those sent abroad to study are women.


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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Rethinking ikhtilat in Saudi Arabia « The Immanent Frame

    King Abdullah’s appointment in January of Al Shaikh was also seen as a reformist move. Al Shaikh has a relatively liberal image, having argued in the past that ikhtilat, the social mixing of men and women, isn’t proscribed by Islamic law, and that women should be allowed to work even if it involves encountering men.

    Abdullah tries to loosen restrictions | GulfNews.com
    Hows that Saudi Law working out in Egypt? Currently?

    "We are in a state of revolution. He is crazy of he thinks he can go back to one-man rule," one protester, Sara Khalili, said of Morsi. "If the Brotherhood's slogan is `Islam is the solution' ours is `submission is not the solution'," said Khalili, a mass communications professor at the American University in Cairo. "God does not call for submission to another man's will.".....snip~

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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    King Abdullah also loosened some other restraints on women.

    In 2009, he established the first mixed-gender university campus in Saudi Arabia. At the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology, the religious police do not operate on-site. Women are allowed to mix freely with men, to drive on campus and they are not required to wear veils in the coeducational classes.

    In 2010, King Abdullah initiated a foreign study scholarship program for Saudi citizens and roughly 25 percent of those sent abroad to study are women.


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    Can you not understand that this is retarded development resulting from a totalitarian regime, and that development would be much more rapid under an open democracy? It's as if no matter how much a dictator holds development back, you'll cheer him for every inch of progress that he "allows".

    We get the same crap from Stalin apologists. They point to the USSR's early advancements as if such could not have been far better under freedom. Yes, progress happens and much more slowly under dictators. The tiny bit of development that does occur under dictatoship should be attributed to the people and not the dictator who concedes.

    It's like someone is starving another person but gives them a tiny bit of bread, and you cheer about the morsel and go on and on about its great size and how wonderful it is, while the victim continues to starve. Ludicrous.
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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Morsi also faces the prospect of wider civil disobedience as media, the tourism industry and law professors pondered moves that would build on a strike by the nation's judges. The planned strikes and march raise new fears of unrest, threatening to derail the country's transition to democratic rule. "Egypt is a big ship in high seas, and no one should stop its captain from taking it to the shore," said Morsi's legal adviser, Mohammed Gaballah, defending his boss. "The ship must keep moving under any conditions," he told The Associated Press on Monday.

    The country's judges have already gone on strike over Morsi's Nov. 22 decrees that placed him above oversight of any kind, including the courts. Following those decrees, a panel dominated by the president's Islamist supporters rushed through a draft constitution without the participation of representatives of liberals and Christians. Only four women, all Islamists, attended the marathon, all-night session. Morsi has called for a Dec. 15 national referendum to approve the constitution.

    An opposition coalition dominated by the liberal and leftist groups that led last year's uprising had already called for a general strike Tuesday and a large demonstration against the constitutional process and Morsi's decrees. Newspapers plan to suspend publication, and privately owned TV networks will blacken their screens all day. Monday's front pages of Egypt's most prominent newspapers said, "No to dictatorship" on a black background, with a picture of a man wrapped in newspaper and with his feet shackled while he squatted in a prison cell.

    Hotels and restaurants are considering turning off their lights for a half-hour to protest against Morsi, according to the Supporting Tourism Coalition, an independent body representing industry employees. Cairo University law professors petitioned their dean to let them stop teaching. "The professors believe they must not teach law under a regime that doesn't respect the law," said one of the professors, Khaled Abu Bakr.....snip~


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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Hows that Saudi Law working out in Egypt? Currently?

    "We are in a state of revolution. He is crazy of he thinks he can go back to one-man rule," one protester, Sara Khalili, said of Morsi. "If the Brotherhood's slogan is `Islam is the solution' ours is `submission is not the solution'," said Khalili, a mass communications professor at the American University in Cairo. "God does not call for submission to another man's will.".....snip~
    Its hot air. Read the new Constitution.. Khalili evidently hasen't.


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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    From Washington, President Barack Obama called Morsi to express "deep concern" about the deaths and injuries of protesters in Egypt, according to a White House statement.

    The statement Thursday night said that Obama told Morsi that he and other political leaders in Egypt must make clear to their supporters that violence is unacceptable. Obama welcomed Morsi's call for a dialogue with opposition leaders in Egypt but stressed that such a dialogue should occur without preconditions. The United States also has urged opposition leaders to join in talks without preconditions.

    Earlier Thursday, Morsi's troubles grew when another of his advisers quit to protest his handling of the crisis, raising to seven the number of those in his 17-person inner circle who have abandoned him. The only Christian in a group of four presidential assistants has also quit.

    Violence persisted into the night, with a group of protesters attacking the Cairo headquarters of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood, ransacking the ground floor. Another group of protesters attacked the Brotherhood's offices in the Cairo district of Maadi. Outside the president's house in his hometown of Zagazig, 50 miles north of Cairo, police fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of protesters, security officials said.

    During his speech, Morsi repeated earlier assertions that a conspiracy against the state was behind his move to assume near unrestricted powers, but he did not reveal any details of the plot.

    "We raise Egypt's flag but they raise the Brotherhood flag. This is the difference," Cairo protester Magdi Farag said as he held the tri-colored national flag stained with blood from his friend's injury in the clashes.....snip~

    News from The Associated Press


    A minority of Egyptians Sharon? Can you explain away why they are attacking the MB all over the place in Egypt if it is only 10% of the Population?


    Do you think about which Flag they Raise as oppose to the one the MB raises.....Says a Whole Lot? Doesn't It!
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    Re: Morsi Leaves Palace!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Its hot air.
    Do you honestly think photo ads prove anything to anyone?

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