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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, surprise, we disagree. However, that was one small portion of the 12 reasons I gave you. Should I assume that you agree with the others?

    Oh, and you never addressed why it is that some schools tuitions have risen absurdly fast, and completely out of kilter with anything remotely approaching accountable.
    No, it is unwise to assume much of anything. That one just stood out to me.

    As for tuition, I think I have privates are trying to get all they can. Heard of one school charging double for an online course, for example. So, any way to gouge, in the market, the predatory will use.

    As for public schools, it is because of funding cuts. This is well documented. State schools receive government dollars (both state and federal). Budget cuts largely mean higher tuition. How each school handles this varies. We cut positions, increase class size and gave a slight increase in tuition. A few people like me are doing extra work without extra pay. We are working hard to innovate in the classroom and find cheaper and more effective ways to do things. What tickles me with you guys as you don't realize this happens at public schools far more than privates.

    However, some schools merely passed the cuts on to students. Nearly all of them are working on innovation, trying to promote success for students. But how a particular school deals with loss of funds varies.

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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Hard to fish with out the pond. Or lake, or ocean.
    Not sure what you mean. Do you mean that students have nothing to work with? Schools? or the country?

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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure what you mean. Do you mean that students have nothing to work with? Schools? or the country?
    Life is about balance. If your students dont learn to fish they starve. No? If the pond where they get their fish dries up or is overfished they starve. No? Lesson being don't overfish the pond, or there will be no fish. It works the same way with taxes and business in general.
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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Life is about balance. If your students dont learn to fish they starve. No? If the pond where they get their fish dries up or is overfished they starve. No? Lesson being don't overfish the pond, or there will be no fish. It works the same way with taxes and business in general.
    What would be overfishing? Taxes for them have been going down for a long time. And they have not resulted in a larger pond. Perhaps we have wrong how that works.

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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What would be overfishing? Taxes for them have been going down for a long time. And they have not resulted in a larger pond. Perhaps we have wrong how that works.
    No it works just like that. Ponds dont nessarily get bigger. That depends on other factors. To look at taxes objectively we have to look at a common denominator, as taxes over the years have changed. Instead of tax rates we need to look at tax bite. How much of as pecentage of income did the taxpayer actually pay. We've had 90% tax rates. How many people would actually pay 90% on their taxes? Not one. I doubt even you. It would be a very hot day in hell before I would pay that kind rate. It would be worth risking jail over. The more you tax the more people will avoid it. People arent stupid. Unless they can make a reasonable amount of money for their effort and risk they are going to avoid that activity. You think I am in business for my health? Theres a balace point between taxation and income. Exeed the balace point even though you increase the tax revenue will go down. People will not work for free.

    So we need to look at a common denominator when examining tax policy though time so we can determine actual tax implications and compare them. Not to would just be a waste of both our times. My suggestion for comparision is to compare actualized tax rates. Compare apples to apples. What we would be after is the actual realized tax compaired to income. This would allow us to compare tax rates over time and determine accurately their actual effects.

    So are you game?
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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    No it works just like that. Ponds dont nessarily get bigger. That depends on other factors. To look at taxes objectively we have to look at a common denominator, as taxes over the years have changed. Instead of tax rates we need to look at tax bite. How much of as pecentage of income did the taxpayer actually pay. We've had 90% tax rates. How many people would actually pay 90% on their taxes? Not one. I doubt even you. It would be a very hot day in hell before I would pay that kind rate. It would be worth risking jail over. The more you tax the more people will avoid it. People arent stupid. Unless they can make a reasonable amount of money for their effort and risk they are going to avoid that activity. You think I am in business for my health? Theres a balace point between taxation and income. Exeed the balace point even though you increase the tax revenue will go down. People will not work for free.

    So we need to look at a common denominator when examining tax policy though time so we can determine actual tax implications and compare them. Not to would just be a waste of both our times. My suggestion for comparision is to compare actualized tax rates. Compare apples to apples. What we would be after is the actual realized tax compaired to income. This would allow us to compare tax rates over time and determine accurately their actual effects.

    So are you game?
    Sounds like you're trying to find a way to rig the game, to skew it so your orange looks like an apple.

    But present what you want. I'll review it.

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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sounds like you're trying to find a way to rig the game, to skew it so your orange looks like an apple.

    But present what you want. I'll review it.
    No thats why I am asking you, and explaining my reasoning. Taxes from 1911 till now were not the same. In order to compare them we have to have a some common way to measure them equaly, a common denominator just like in working with fractions in math. In order to work with a fraction we generally need a common denominator. Same applies to taxes and how we would go about compairing them. I am suggesting using the EFFECTIVE MARGINAL RATE.
    Here is document on why I belive this to be so.http://blackburn.house.gov/uploadedf...eality.pdf.pdf
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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    No thats why I am asking you, and explaining my reasoning. Taxes from 1911 till now were not the same. In order to compare them we have to have a some common way to measure them equaly, a common denominator just like in working with fractions in math. In order to work with a fraction we generally need a common denominator. Same applies to taxes and how we would go about compairing them. I am suggesting using the EFFECTIVE MARGINAL RATE.
    Here is document on why I belive this to be so.http://blackburn.house.gov/uploadedf...eality.pdf.pdf
    A republican document? I wonder how many conservatives accept a democrat report? When I get to my computer, I'll look for one. Though I was going back to 1911. I'm not sure we have to back any further than 2000.

    But I'll look for some informative from a source equal to yours.

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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A republican document? I wonder how many conservatives accept a democrat report? When I get to my computer, I'll look for one. Though I was going back to 1911. I'm not sure we have to back any further than 2000.

    But I'll look for some informative from a source equal to yours.
    All it is is a reason why and it happens to be the first one convienent that makes my essintial arguement. The idea is why we need to compare the taxes on an equal basis. It doc simply makes the arguemnet for me why and what we should be comparing. First we need to settle on what it is we are comparing. I am proposing what they did IE Effective Marginal Rate. I dont particularly care about WHO the source is from so long as the arguement for their case is reasonable and plausible. Thats my take. Comparing rates back to 1911 is still a good thing because thats when the income tax started. Thats my opinion.
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    Re: IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    All it is is a reason why and it happens to be the first one convienent that makes my essintial arguement. The idea is why we need to compare the taxes on an equal basis. It doc simply makes the arguemnet for me why and what we should be comparing. First we need to settle on what it is we are comparing. I am proposing what they did IE Effective Marginal Rate. I dont particularly care about WHO the source is from so long as the arguement for their case is reasonable and plausible. Thats my take. Comparing rates back to 1911 is still a good thing because thats when the income tax started. Thats my opinion.
    Your assumption is that what is presented is equal, the same. I'm not yet convinced. I would like to hear both sides, and will when I can. But I have seen cuts in recent history not produce the results claimed. So, as I said, I'm skeptical of your proposition.

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