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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    ^^^^^ This is exactly what it is about. You called this out Correctly T7.....moreover all you stated afterwards was excellent on the Obama Play. Again I just wanted to point out that Crystal Clear Point for those on the left to see. Which is the Insurance Carriers will pass the cost all along to that States's Residents.

    This means the The Non Definable middle class and the Poor. Higher Costs, more visits to a doctor, and all the Spending that comes with it. The Progressives duped the rest on the Left. Course then they deflect and talk about Prescriptions Drugs to perk the Ears of the Seniors.

    Thanks as I was trying to get that point out with the SCOTUS and the End Run by Obama!
    Thank you. I have been saying, all along, that PPACA is a scam to foist a huge new gov't entitlement (income redistribution) upon the nation. The use of private medical care insurance companies is temporary at best. With essentially federal gov't defined fixed premiums, gov't defined benefits and individual/employer mandates it is UHC with a temporary private take (15% to 20% overhead) included. Folks will next be told that these private insurance companies are no longer needed, since they simply make the costs go up with their "overhead" and we will have UHC (with the usual delays and red tape of all gov't run social programs) for the poor/middle class and a cash for good care (and head of line privileges) system for the rich. Of course you may "keep your current insurance plan" only if it meets the constantly changing gov't specs, accepts the gov't defined "overhead" (profit) limits and pays only what the gov't allows for each service provided. Yes he did!
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Not sure why any state would run their own exchange, since Federal monies for them only apply till 2014.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Not sure why any state would run their own exchange, since Federal monies for them only apply till 2014.
    Perhaps it would make them feel good to participate, pretending to actually maintain some state power, share in the glory of the miracle of PPACA. Then again, why suffer the expense when the feds are in control of PPACA and the state can stand back and blame the mess on the feds. Obviously Obama (and company) envisioned this possibilty (probability?), so the original PPACA law contained "penalties" (punishments?) for states that decided not to simply play along - they would take away Medicaid fund matching from those "bad" states. The SCOTUS said that state gov't arm twisting was unconstitutional, so Obama invented a plan to punish that state's insurance companies instead, hoping that they are too small (or scared) to take that matter to court and will simply punish that state's citizens for Obama instead. Yes he did!
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    I don't have any way of judging the overall sentiment of America. I based my OPINION© on a couple of factors"

    Obama was re-elected, warts and all, by enough of a majority to have the election unchallenged. This is his signature legislation so electing him, to my POV, is electing Obamacare.

    I've read many articles (which might all be lies but...) that say that a majority LIKES all the bennies, they just don't like having to PAY for it mandatorily. Well, sure, I'd have a private 747 if I didn't have to pay for it. Since logically to play, you must pay, I sense that it is popular and the sole objection is so silly that it doesn't count for much.

    We'll see who rolls over and who doesn't very, very soon.


    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That would be incorrect. The majority hasn't accept it, which is why Obama is willing to cave with some issues within his own Plan that he never knew about until last year. Which is why.....no one is listening to the DNC pumping up the Jams as to "hey" we won. Everybody is suppose to roll over because they won. I hope that part of the Delusion wears off soon and the Democrats realize they aint getting NOTHING else for FREE!

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

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    I don't have any way of judging the overall sentiment of America. I based my OPINION© on a couple of factors"

    Obama was re-elected, warts and all, by enough of a majority to have the election unchallenged. This is his signature legislation so electing him, to my POV, is electing Obamacare.

    I've read many articles (which might all be lies but...) that say that a majority LIKES all the bennies, they just don't like having to PAY for it mandatorily. Well, sure, I'd have a private 747 if I didn't have to pay for it. Since logically to play, you must pay, I sense that it is popular and the sole objection is so silly that it doesn't count for much.

    We'll see who rolls over and who doesn't very, very soon.
    Yeah I was going with that the Republicans have 30 States. Plus the fact of other Suits being filed in the SCOTUS after their Ruling on Obamacare. Plus the Physicians and Surgeons Association. Arent they from out west somewhere? Goldstone group or something like that. Which their Suit is based on the Constitutionality of Obamas 15 man panel. As opposed to laws being passed thru legislation with Congress. As the Law is Intended!

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I seem to recall something like that as well...but see this is how authoritarian progressives get what they want whether you like it or not..When you find their loophole, as in the exchanges, they smack you with a heavy handed regulation, if that doesn't work because the court says no, then ignore the court. Welcome to the United State of Chicago.
    Nth is all sounds like more whining to me. Don't like the law, get work making it better. You'd have me with a two tiered single payer system. But jump in. Work make better. Whining rarely solves anything.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    ...and you may be right.

    I based my thoughts on the fact that it seems to be the laws that was (however foolishly or blindly) passed by Congress, signed by the POTUS and ruled in favor of 5 to 4 in a generally partisan SCOTUS.

    Despite the 30 states and some Association's opinion (not to mention the DP consensus) that Obamacare is now the law, like it or not. Probably a million lawsuits will be filed to occupy time better spent in solving other problems but unless and until the law is changed, it is the law and it's going to be in effect starting next month.

    ....if the Constitution were the base guideline, many laws would be considered "unconstitutional" but you know as wll as I do that the Constitution has been repeatedly ignored and w are ruled by the results, not by the emotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I was going with that the Republicans have 30 States. Plus the fact of other Suits being filed in the SCOTUS after their Ruling on Obamacare. Plus the Physicians and Surgeons Association. Arent they from out west somewhere? Goldstone group or something like that. Which their Suit is based on the Constitutionality of Obamas 15 man panel. As opposed to laws being passed thru legislation with Congress. As the Law is Intended!

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    ...and you may be right.

    I based my thoughts on the fact that it seems to be the laws that was (however foolishly or blindly) passed by Congress, signed by the POTUS and ruled in favor of 5 to 4 in a generally partisan SCOTUS.

    Despite the 30 states and some Association's opinion (not to mention the DP consensus) that Obamacare is now the law, like it or not. Probably a million lawsuits will be filed to occupy time better spent in solving other problems but unless and until the law is changed, it is the law and it's going to be in effect starting next month.

    ....if the Constitution were the base guideline, many laws would be considered "unconstitutional" but you know as wll as I do that the Constitution has been repeatedly ignored and w are ruled by the results, not by the emotion.
    Other than the penalty.....what else Could Obama do if all 30 states opt out? One thing is for sure it will leave the mark on Obama's record that 30 states didn't agree with his policies and told him to take a walk.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Good question.

    It's doubtful these states will have the courage.
    If they do, Obama has a bigger, uh, thing, than they do.
    Obama isn't worried about his legacy or being re-elected
    SCOTUS (surprisingly) is backing Obama


    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Other than the penalty.....what else Could Obama do if all 30 states opt out? One thing is for sure it will leave the mark on Obama's record that 30 states didn't agree with his policies and told him to take a walk.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So instead of admitting his law is pile of garbage he instead is going to ensure that people pay even more for healthcare than they already going to due to the law. Lol, it's as if he wants to pwn himself.
    Oh Obama has already pwn himself. The idiot only championed Obamacare as "not a tax" then his lawyers turn around and argue to the SCOTUS that it is a tax...

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