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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So, you mean it resembles income taxes? Import duties? Cigarette Tax Stamps? 9 million other laws?

    I didn't say it was good. It just said it is what it is - the new reality in the new century. You can't breed hundreds of millions of people without creating more governing. The frontier era has passed - not just here but all over the world.
    Nonsense. You have given no examples of other "modern" legislation that does any of the three things that I mentioned, related to the PPACA law. Medicaid comes close, but that at least has federal matching funding, unlike the subject of this post - a federal law attempting to "punish" a state for exercising an "option". Remember that the SCOTUS ruled that "punishing" states for not implementing the state exchanges "option", by withholding that state's Medicaid funds, was unconstitutional. Obama seems to think that passing this "punishment" (3.5% premium fee) down to the state's insurance carriers, who will simply pass it on to that state's residents, is a slick end run around that SCOTUS ruling. Yes he did!
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Well, yes he did. He's pretty clever and determined. The states would be wise to give in instead of wasting money fighting this.

    I think income tax was an excellent example. Your failure to acknowledge my genius has me perplexed......utterly perplexed Sir.

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    Illegal immigration for those under 30, with Obama's dreamy executive order. Congress made the law, Obama decided not to comply. Hmm...
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    Nonsense. You have given no examples of other "modern" legislation that does any of the three things that I mentioned, related to the PPACA law. Medicaid comes close, but that at least has federal matching funding, unlike the subject of this post - a federal law attempting to "punish" a state for exercising an "option". Remember that the SCOTUS ruled that "punishing" states for not implementing the state exchanges "option", by withholding that state's Medicaid funds, was unconstitutional. Obama seems to think that passing this "punishment" (3.5% premium fee) down to the state's insurance carriers, who will simply pass it on to that state's residents, is a slick end run around that SCOTUS ruling. Yes he did!

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

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    Well, yes he did. He's pretty clever and determined. The states would be wise to give in instead of wasting money fighting this.

    I think income tax was an excellent example. Your failure to acknowledge my genius has me perplexed......utterly perplexed Sir.
    How is FIT applied differently depending on state law? Are you refering to the possible (optional) itemized deductions of state income/sales taxes?
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Just its very presence (FIT) is and has been argued since 1913. It has many exemptions and penalties. Nobody likes it very much.

    See the similarities?

    We're just going to have to wait and see how it (Obamacare) sorts itself out. If it's as hideous as you might imagine, then someone else will be elected. Apparently, for now, a majority has accepted it.

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    How is FIT applied differently depending on state law? Are you refering to the possible (optional) itemized deductions of state income/sales taxes?

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Just its very presence (FIT) is and has been argued since 1913. It has many exemptions and penalties. Nobody likes it very much.

    See the similarities?

    We're just going to have to wait and see how it (Obamacare) sorts itself out. If it's as hideous as you might imagine, then someone else will be elected. Apparently, for now, a majority has accepted it.

    Acceptance and support are two different things....


    After the Supreme Court ruling that upheld most of his health care law, President Obama claimed that the decision was a “victory for people all over the country.” However, public opinion polls that show that a majority of Americans don’t want Obamacare.
    RealClearPolitics has compiled polling data since the bill was passed in March 2010, and the numbers are telling. The average of all polling from March 10, 2012, to August 5, 2012, shows support for repeal of Obamacare at 49.8 percent, with 42.2 percent opposed.
    The public’s attitude toward Obamacare has remained consistent over time. A CNN/Opinion Research poll conducted in the days leading up to the bill’s signing showed that a majority of the people, 59 percent, opposed the legislation.
    Over a year later, Americans’ opinion didn’t change. A Rasmussen poll taken less than three weeks before the 2010 midterm elections showed a near-record 61 percent supporting a full repeal of Obamacare. The American people reiterated their disdain for the law in the voting booth, purging Congress of many of the Members who voted in favor of Obamacare.

    The American People Want Obamacare Repealed
    It can only get worse as the beast is revealed slowly over the next year or so....
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    I support the pessimistic approach. Pessimists always win. May....



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    Acceptance and support are two different things....




    It can only get worse as the beast is revealed slowly over the next year or so....

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    People are going to hate it once they really need their health insurance IMHO. To me, this is the healthcare equivalent of Don't Ask, Don't Tell--some half-hearted effort to check a box for history books. IMHO, we will probably end up rolling back to private insurance with a public option instead of publicly mandated private insurance.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

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    People are going to hate it once they really need their health insurance IMHO. To me, this is the healthcare equivalent of Don't Ask, Don't Tell--some half-hearted effort to check a box for history books. IMHO, we will probably end up rolling back to private insurance with a public option instead of publicly mandated private insurance.
    I view PPACA as the beginning of the end for private medical care insurance. Insurance is for the rare, unexpected and expensive events in life, not routine maintanence and normal day to day expenses. Imagine your auto insurance premium cost if the gov't mandated that it cover "free" annual tune-ups, oil changes and worn tire replacement.

    Insurance is also intended to be actuarially based, the higher the risk the higher the premium. PPACA mandates ignoring all health risk factors except smoking and age, making those that are obese suddenly seem "normal". That is like mandating that auto insurance ignore all driving records and vehicle costs, or homeowners insurance ignore the purchase price of the dwelling and its condidtion.
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Give me an example of one that isn't ancient or obscure.
    So when a federal law gets old it no longer needs enforced, but when its new it has to be enforced? I don't think it works that way.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I view PPACA as the beginning of the end for private medical care insurance. Insurance is for the rare, unexpected and expensive events in life, not routine maintanence and normal day to day expenses. Imagine your auto insurance premium cost if the gov't mandated that it cover "free" annual tune-ups, oil changes and worn tire replacement.

    Insurance is also intended to be actuarially based, the higher the risk the higher the premium. PPACA mandates ignoring all health risk factors except smoking and age, making those that are obese suddenly seem "normal". That is like mandating that auto insurance ignore all driving records and vehicle costs, or homeowners insurance ignore the purchase price of the dwelling and its condidtion.
    I have a high premium HSA policy which is what the government should favor--instead it what they consider an abuse. Makes no sense to me.

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