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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    They can't defund it, they can only choose to not fund it. Not sure how far into the future it originally was funded for.
    Oh thanks...next question why haven't they done that?
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I thought there was something that the States didn't have to take on More than what they already had allocated. That the Scotus ruled the Fed couldn't make the States take more money on for Medaid thru them. Or something like that.
    Medicaid Expansion, Regulations & Spending Clause
    As a part of the Medicaid Expansion of PPACA, States are compelled to follow new regulations or risk losing their current Medicaid funding. This part of the bill was also under the constitutional microscope. The result was a 5-4 overturning of this part of the bill. Here is the crux of the issue:

    Congress may use its spending power to create incentives for States to act in accordance with federal policies. But when “pressure turns into compulsion,” ibid., the legislation runs contrary to our system of federalism.

    More specifically, the decision came down to the accountability of our democratic system:

    …when the State has no choice, the Federal Government can achieve its objectives without accountability…

    “[W]here the Federal Government directs the States to regulate, it may be state officials who will bear the brunt of public disapproval, while the federal officials who devised the regulatory program may remain insulated from the electoral ramifications of their decision.” Id., at 169.

    Had non-compliance only risked loss of the medicaid expansion funding, it may have survived constitutionality in this regard:

    …Spending Clause programs do not pose this danger when a State has a legitimate choice whether to accept the federal conditions in exchange for federal funds.

    Implications:

    For practical purposes, the threat of losing current medicaid funding will not be permitted to induce compliance to the new regulations. The decision, also, sets a strict precedent limiting the power of the federal to govern the states.
    Quote above taken from : PPACA Supreme Court Decision: Just the facts | Business Insurance
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    I'm sure you know I meant a law where the defiance was of the President, not by the President. To put it more simply, laws that apply to you Mr. Citizen, not the overlords.

    Maybe we'll have a Medical Revolution where rebel groups in camouflage put up a die-hard resistance to insurance but really, that's kind of hopeless.

    I had a "reacher" back in the humanism era who told us to examine every situation where we were fearful by asking this one question:
    If this comes to pass, what is your worst negative fantasy?

    So, I''ll ask... What will this law do at its worst?



    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You mean, states don't get to pull a Calhoun anytime they wish, simply because they don't like the law?

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    Illegal immigration for those under 30, with Obama's dreamy executive order. Congress made the law, Obama decided not to comply. Hmm...

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Has anybody reformed them? Or is it only the Republicans who are responsible? They and the Democrats are equally guilty of abusing it....
    Then you're still faulty for blaming Pelosi when all she said was the truth of the matter, especially when the other side isn't willing to do anything to make the situation better.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But, but, but....How can that be?....All conservatives are old white men.....
    but not all old white men are conservatives.....trust me....
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Then you're still faulty for blaming Pelosi when all she said was the truth of the matter, especially when the other side isn't willing to do anything to make the situation better.
    No, I'm not 'faulty'..... she said the words, and boy were they correct.....
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm sure you know I meant a law where the defiance was of the President, not by the President. To put it more simply, laws that apply to you Mr. Citizen, not the overlords.

    Maybe we'll have a Medical Revolution where rebel groups in camouflage put up a die-hard resistance to insurance but really, that's kind of hopeless.

    I had a "reacher" back in the humanism era who told us to examine every situation where we were fearful by asking this one question:
    If this comes to pass, what is your worst negative fantasy?

    So, I''ll ask... What will this law do at its worst?
    Several bad things:

    1) Sets a precedent that a citizen choosing NOT to buy a private good/service is a federally taxable "income" event. If having private medical care insurance is good, why not mandate a private alarm/secirity service with video too? Or mandate buying a car getting 55+ mpg?

    2) Makes "free" stuff be covered (from 1st dollar) by all medical care "insurance", thus raising the cost for all that do not use that "free" stuff. Imagine the increase in your auto insurance premiums if the gov't madated that it cover annual "free" tune-ups and oil changes.

    3) If the federal gov't can now simply mandate that the states implement (at state or third party cost) anything that they think is good then the state has no power at all.
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    No, I'm not 'faulty'..... she said the words, and boy were they correct.....
    Yes she said them. But she was not the one who has made rules in the House in regards to how bills are amended. So it's faulty to blame her for that. Especially when Republicans don't reform the House rules.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes she said them. But she was not the one who has made rules in the House in regards to how bills are amended. So it's faulty to blame her for that. Especially when Republicans don't reform the House rules.
    What does how bills are amended have to do with what she said and what the bill contained at the time it was passed? You keep posting as though it was the sole responsibility of the Republicans (of which I am not) to amend the rules for bills....
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    What does how bills are amended have to do with what she said and what the bill contained at the time it was passed? You keep posting as though it was the sole responsibility of the Republicans (of which I am not) to amend the rules for bills....
    I'm not saying it's the sole responsibility of the Republicans to reform the rules to amending a bill.

    However, it's hypocritical to blame Pelosi for the lack of reform by bringing up that quote, especially when it isn't an advocacy of that position on the rules but merely stating how the rules are.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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