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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    The thread title... I just can't help getting a vision of Obama B**** slapping people lol.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Didn't it just leave there?
    "What".....Did you Somehow think it was all over?

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm confused. Was Obamacare not upheld 5-4 by SCOTUS? I've been wrong before but I was pretty sure that John Roberts was the deciding vote, much to the dismay of many.

    Every President gets a library and also a fancy inauguration. I view it as a slap in the face to us commoners. It's just a big party for those who pay less taxes than you do because they make more money than you do. Even the worst Presidents get a free legacy. But right now, Obama thinks he is King and you know what - he is the King. Not sure what that says about us but it is what it is...
    Yeah it was.....and? "Did you think just because they ruled on that issue of Constitutionality. That there wouldn't be others? You do know that the Obamabaloney Will.....be broken down. There will be some changes, some things will be scaled back. Either in time or money. One thing is for Sure.....that shiznit they did not read. All of it will not be implemented. So when the Democrats that don't agree with Obama brings those issues out. Do you think Obama will Blame them for upsetting his Apple-cart?

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Hmm ... so no one is going to challenge Newsmax's obviously slanted coverage of this story? How odd.

    Newsmax's spin is that the administration is instituting this fee as a punitive measure to punish red states. The truth is that this is an administrative fee to cover the cost of setting up the exchanges: a fee that states that do set up their own exchanges will have to mirror in some respect to cover the same expense. Obviously the insurance companies do receive a significant benefit from participating in the exchange (access to huge market, reduced need for advertising, lower own-administrative expenses), so it is logical that they should cover at least part of the expense.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it's whining.
    Not at all. It is called opposing something. I know that progressives would just love it if the Conservatives and Republicans would just be quiet, and allow all the progressive failures to be hung on them instead of having to take responsibility for what they put in place, but alas, you'll just have to grow up and acknowledge the foul ups that are Obama's.

    But what have is largely the fault of republicans and the Tea Party, with the death panel scare and the like.

    And here you go, proving my point....Tell me what the republicans, or TP had to do with writing this monstrosity, or for that matter voting it into law? The lie here is so transparent that in a face to face conversation, I doubt you'd be able to even utter that lie without busting out laughing. As for the "Death Panels" that was a term true enough based out of not knowing, or having access to the exact wording of the legislation until literally hours before the Christmas Eve at midnight vote, but a form of that does indeed exist, in the IPAB. Now you can continue to deny that as well, but it just isn't honest.

    I know being responsible for their actions is difficult for them, but reality is reality.
    That is some astonishing projection you have going on there Joe....
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hmm ... so no one is going to challenge Newsmax's obviously slanted coverage of this story? How odd.

    Newsmax's spin is that the administration is instituting this fee as a punitive measure to punish red states. The truth is that this is an administrative fee to cover the cost of setting up the exchanges: a fee that states that do set up their own exchanges will have to mirror in some respect to cover the same expense. Obviously the insurance companies do receive a significant benefit from participating in the exchange (access to huge market, reduced need for advertising, lower own-administrative expenses), so it is logical that they should cover at least part of the expense.

    Oh, did Newsmax misreport something? Is the fee going to be spread on all state exchange insurances equally? Or is this just going to be levied on those states where the Federal government has to set up their traps themselves?
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "I think states should be able to ignore the law when they feel like it!"

    Yeah, ok buddy. Incidentally, you don't have to buy health insurance from an exchange if you don't want to.

    Which part of an insurance exchange strikes you as "wealth transfer?"
    You are talking about the beginnings of a national Civil Disobedience Movement.
    I share you hopes.

    Violence will not solve anything, but if the states simply begin to refuse to accept and implement unreasonable federal dictates and pass them on to their citizens I think we may finally begin to see real change. Will take extremely brave politicians and a constituency absolutely stead-fast in their support, however I think we may see the beginnings of this with our Governors.

    Probably too much to hope for, but without hope, what is left?

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    I can't predict the ultimate outcome and sadder yet - neither can the authors.

    The only point I was trying to make, with some confidence, was that this bloated bill WAS constitutional until something makes it otherwise.

    I'd prefer to hope for the best instead of the worst. Some things are easy to call - this isn't one of them.


    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah it was.....and? "Did you think just because they ruled on that issue of Constitutionality. That there wouldn't be others? You do know that the Obamabaloney Will.....be broken down. There will be some changes, some things will be scaled back. Either in time or money. One thing is for Sure.....that shiznit they did not read. All of it will not be implemented. So when the Democrats that don't agree with Obama brings those issues out. Do you think Obama will Blame them for upsetting his Apple-cart?

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

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    Ugh. The utter smugness of these neo libertarians is near too much to handle. When Obama takes into total collapse, rejoice and take responsibility for your part in it pal.
    I don't vote for people just because they have an R after their name, like you do. I vote for people who actually stand for something. People are not defined by the BS they tell you. They are defined by what THEY ACTUALLY DO!! At this point, the Republican Party is all political BS talk with no real effort to solve the problems we are facing today. Like I said before, I have absolutely no problem voting the way I did, and until the GOP makes an effort to put America over party, then I have no plans to vote for them in the near future. As for the far future, I will wait and see what they ACTUALLY DO before making a decision. If the Republican party wants me back, they are going to have to earn my vote. I don't just whore it out.
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't vote for people just because they have an R after their name, like you do. I vote for people who actually stand for something. People are not defined by the BS they tell you. They are defined by what THEY ACTUALLY DO!! At this point, the Republican Party is all political BS talk with no real effort to solve the problems we are facing today. Like I said before, I have absolutely no problem voting the way I did, and until the GOP makes an effort to put America over party, then I have no plans to vote for them in the near future. As for the far future, I will wait and see what they ACTUALLY DO before making a decision. If the Republican party wants me back, they are going to have to earn my vote. I don't just whore it out.

    Well, see this is what I am talking about, you have no problem categorizing me, or how I vote because I tend to oppose this current administration and what they are doing to this country. I voted Romney sure. Did I agree with every aspect of what he was saying? no, not really, but I understood what the stakes were, and instead of voting for someone who had absolutely NO chance of winning, I chose to cast my vote for hope of changing the course, if even so slightly to slow it down, and work on mid terms, and build.

    Johnson struggled to get 1% of the vote, and a case could be made that momentum swung the states, the further west one looked. So, you can tell yourself what ever gets you through the night friend, but in the end, you libertarians aided in putting Obama back in, own it. It really isn't a surprise seeing that most of the Pauliacs I have read in the past year mirror closer to democrats in attitude, and substance than repubs anyway.
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