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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Good question.

    It's doubtful these states will have the courage.
    If they do, Obama has a bigger, uh, thing, than they do.
    Obama isn't worried about his legacy or being re-elected
    SCOTUS (surprisingly) is backing Obama
    Obama is very much worried about his Legacy. I would have you look up his comments over moving the US into the Far East. Already he is looking for his Presidential Library in Chicago. So far UIC where he and his Wife Worked looks like they are the Front runner.

    Except SCOTUS isn't backing him on this issue, As they Already ruled. Hence the Obama Regulation Now!

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nth is all sounds like more whining to me. Don't like the law, get work making it better. You'd have me with a two tiered single payer system. But jump in. Work make better. Whining rarely solves anything.
    And just how would we make it better? The democrats want more and the republicans want less and so do I. Not sure how you work with people that want UHC and are perfectly happy with allowing costs to go up so more people demand exactly what they want.
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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And just how would we make it better? The democrats want more and the republicans want less and so do I. Not sure how you work with people that want UHC and are perfectly happy with allowing costs to go up so more people demand exactly what they want.
    You do realize systems that have single payer, even two tiered like I advocate, spend less? Therefore, based on actual fvacts, your comment doesn't make a lot of sense.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realize systems that have single payer, even two tiered like I advocate, spend less? Therefore, based on actual fvacts, your comment doesn't make a lot of sense.
    You do realize you just avoided my comment, right? The fact is democrats and many of their supports have come out and said flat out that if prices go up people will support a UHC. Why exactly would they work to avoid such a result when if they get that result they will surely win?

    As for your comment, prices there are going up and has been going up since they put the systems in place. All you are doing is pretending that the costs have been lowered by your system and the system here is expensive because of things that I support. Neither half of your assumption is correct.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do realize you just avoided my comment, right? The fact is democrats and many of their supports have come out and said flat out that if prices go up people will support a UHC. Why exactly would they work to avoid such a result when if they get that result they will surely win?

    As for your comment, prices there are going up and has been going up since they put the systems in place. All you are doing is pretending that the costs have been lowered by your system and the system here is expensive because of things that I support. Neither half of your assumption is correct.
    When I advocated a two Tiered system I was answering your question.

    And no pretending, no saying someone said anything. It's a straight up fact that those system spend less, across the board. Add to it that we can remove health care from employment.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When I advocated a two Tiered system I was answering your question.

    And no pretending, no saying someone said anything. It's a straight up fact that those system spend less, across the board. Add to it that we can remove health care from employment.
    If that is your answer then it seems unattached from my comment. Regardless, I have already went over that. Put in another way your system would not lower current costs as it has not in other places. Perhaps some of the things that go along with your plan would, but your main action would do nothing beneficial to costs.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If that is your answer then it seems unattached from my comment. Regardless, I have already went over that. Put in another way your system would not lower current costs as it has not in other places. Perhaps some of the things that go along with your plan would, but your main action would do nothing beneficial to costs.
    To any significant decrease, nothing will lower do that. We like busienss, and people make serious cash with healthcare. That is not going to change. And groups like the AMA will make sure of that. But, we can limit and control costs best with a two teired single payer system. We allow those who can afford extra to buy extra, but make sure adequate care is there for all. Providing more access is beneficial. And removing it from employment is also beneficial.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Hope those 17 states take this back to the SC.
    Didn't it just leave there?

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    I'm confused. Was Obamacare not upheld 5-4 by SCOTUS? I've been wrong before but I was pretty sure that John Roberts was the deciding vote, much to the dismay of many.

    Every President gets a library and also a fancy inauguration. I view it as a slap in the face to us commoners. It's just a big party for those who pay less taxes than you do because they make more money than you do. Even the worst Presidents get a free legacy. But right now, Obama thinks he is King and you know what - he is the King. Not sure what that says about us but it is what it is...




    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Obama is very much worried about his Legacy. I would have you look up his comments over moving the US into the Far East. Already he is looking for his Presidential Library in Chicago. So far UIC where he and his Wife Worked looks like they are the Front runner.

    Except SCOTUS isn't backing him on this issue, As they Already ruled. Hence the Obama Regulation Now!

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    Re: Obama Slaps States That Don't Comply With Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To any significant decrease, nothing will lower do that. We like busienss, and people make serious cash with healthcare. That is not going to change. And groups like the AMA will make sure of that. But, we can limit and control costs best with a two teired single payer system. We allow those who can afford extra to buy extra, but make sure adequate care is there for all. Providing more access is beneficial. And removing it from employment is also beneficial.
    I'm not entirely sure why you expect that I will talk of something that you brought up out of the wind when responding to a comment of mine. I have no interest in this talk and like I said, it does not lower cost and has no real ability to control them either. Parroting myths is not something I find smart and is not something I will humor with you today.

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