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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So? The availability of gun ownership in our society has nothing to do with the result in that, if it weren't a gun it may have been a knife, or a bat, or a tire iron....Should we ban bats?
    Not at all. I'm just a bit disturbed about some of the comments people are making now about how this death was the result of "gun violence," as though the gun pulled its own trigger.

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    So, a big "eh, so what?" huh? We should just mark it off as a happenstance of life, and not even address this country's dismal record of attention to mental health?
    No, I'm not saying that either. I'm saying that in the grand scheme of things this will be a blip and there will be football next year, ten years from now--even a hundred years from now.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Update to the story from the NYPost....

    It didn’t help that he was drinking every day and taking painkillers while dealing with the effects of debilitating head injuries, the friend said.

    Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said today that Belcher was "a player who had not had a long concussion history.’’

    Belcher, 25, and Perkins, 22, had argued for the last time when she returned home late from a concert Saturday morning. But the Belcher friend said the concert was only a “tipping point.”

    “This was the result of a long-term conflict,” the pal said. “She made it clear that she was leaving and would contact a lawyer’’ to fight for custody and child support.

    Chiefs linebacker Belcher struggled with head injuries, alcohol and painkillers before he snapped and killed girlfriend: report - NYPOST.com
    Ok, so the mental health issue is settled, turns out he was just a drinker, pill popper, and out of control 25 yr old, that snapped and murdered his girl friend.

    Another domestic violence story. Well, at least then he saved us the money of prosecuting, and jailing him for life.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Not at all. I'm just a bit disturbed about some of the comments people are making now about how this death was the result of "gun violence," as though the gun pulled its own trigger.



    No, I'm not saying that either. I'm saying that in the grand scheme of things this will be a blip and there will be football next year, ten years from now--even a hundred years from now.

    You're right...Turns out it was just a run of the mill domestic violence issue. Sorry I jumped to conclusions with you.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so the mental health issue is settled, turns out he was just a drinker, pill popper, and out of control 25 yr old, that snapped and murdered his girl friend.
    Notice we never hear anything about "pill violence." Even the "Twinkie Defense" is out the window now. It's always the gun's fault.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Just don't tell me i have to care or give sympathy to the man and the screw ups who raised such a defective person.
    Seems a bit screwed up to me to blame the parents for the acts of their child, especially without knowing all of the facts.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Update to the story from the NYPost....



    Ok, so the mental health issue is settled, turns out he was just a drinker, pill popper, and out of control 25 yr old, that snapped and murdered his girl friend.

    Another domestic violence story. Well, at least then he saved us the money of prosecuting, and jailing him for life.

    Then that is what it was. I just wasn't prepared to jump on the condemnation wagon so quickly.

    Just amazing that one who reaches the NFL which was probably a dream of his from childhood and once he makes it he throws everything away.

    My heart goes out to the two families and especially the child who lost both parents.

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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Seems a bit screwed up to me to blame the parents for the acts of their child, especially without knowing all of the facts.
    Oh yeah, we should not place any blame on the people who had responsibility for raising him for most of his life, and their lessons to him for any of his actions. No responsibility at all seems to be the modern parental motto. I am not trying to place full blame on them, but when your drug addicted pro-football thuggin son goes out and pop-s his girlfriend over some domestic dispute and then blows his braine out because he knows what he did was wrong and punishment is something this pansy couldn't deal with, perhaps somewhere back there was something that his parents could have done to avoid this. Some lesson was missed or not taught.

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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    well, there is one detail we all possess. He murdered an innocent woman.
    Many soldier, police officers and average citizens have killed innocent people in error or due to psychiatric issues. It doesn't make them monsters or animals.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Oh yeah, we should not place any blame on the people who had responsibility for raising him for most of his life, and their lessons to him for any of his actions. No responsibility at all seems to be the modern parental motto. I am not trying to place full blame on them, but when your drug addicted pro-football thuggin son goes out and pop-s his girlfriend over some domestic dispute and then blows his braine out because he knows what he did was wrong and punishment is something this pansy couldn't deal with, perhaps somewhere back there was something that his parents could have done to avoid this. Some lesson was missed or not taught.
    Do you have kids yet? I'm guessing you don't or that if you do, they're wee ones. Why? Because if you did, I think you'd understand that parents can only do so much to encourage a child in the direction he or she should go. My kids, both now 20-somethings, had minor scrapes with the law when they were teens, and I absolutely disavowed any responsibility then or now for their choices. I didn't teach or model what they did.

    I don't understand either why some who choose suicide decide to take out their loved ones first, but there are many reasons ranging from fear that they won't be able to go on alone to punishing others.

    I mean, you don't even know why this young man killed himself after murdering his girlfriend. You're assuming that he did it because he was too cowardly to face the legal music. You don't know any of this.

    And none of us do and maybe never will. Here are some facts, though. His mother had moved in to help take care of the baby. Sounds generous to me. She's also the one who called the cops after Perkins (the girlfriend/mother of Zoey) was shot. Sounds responsible to me.

    Neighbors reported Belcher peeling out in his Bentley. Imagine being 25 and driving a car like that...might skew your perceptions and inflate your ego a bit. The couple had been fighting a lot, and Belcher was furious that Perkins had gone out to a concert and not returned home until after 1 in the morning. I've read multiple accounts of her threatening to leave him, and this is a classic domestic-violence scenario.

    Anyway, a 3-month old baby has lost both her parents, an innocent woman is dead, and a 25-year old who clearly didn't have the maturity to handle the "slings and arrows" of ordinary life and its frustrations found a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

    So maybe Belcher was a spoiled, immature brat. But you have just a whole lotta nerve sitting in judgment of this guy who was still just a kid and may have had substance-abuse/party problems. It's a tragedy all-around, but condemning the parents doesn't exactly make you look reasonable either.

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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    On another note...does anyone else seem to think this is happening waay to much lately in pro sports...suicides I mean...what the hell is going on...its not like these people are poor they are making major bucks...im not getting it...ok this was a crime of passion but still theres some mental breakdown going on here

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