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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have close family members involved in being treated for depression, and in the past, or in the beginning if you will was intimately involved with doc's at John's Hopkins in Baltimore with their treatment in understanding what was going on...I'll just leave it there.
    I have 35 years RN experience within Psychiatry...
    That may be totally true in terms of depression alone, however with illness such as bi-polar often includes times of mania, as well as times of deep depression. At the times of mania is often accompanied with a lack of sleep for up to days if not a week or more. This can bring on near psychotic behavior. I am not saying that this is 100% the case with this person, but to just jump to extreme, derogatory illustration of this mans motive without knowing is IMHO, a deplorable way of approaching it.
    You first excused his murderous behaviour with speculation on severe depression, now you sidestep to bipolar once that has been confounded. Suicide during mania is rare due to a tendency to euphoria. (or feeling of extreme wellbeing) Your wild swings in attempting to justify your initial sympathy toward a murderer are all too obvious.

    That could very well be the case as well. IDK....but all I am saying I guess is we should find out before we just start with the conclusion.
    Then don't make assumptions that he's mad and not just bad. My comment on selfisheness is not only observed from personal and professional experience, it is a widely held belief. Try google.
    Isn't amazing though, that some could say that I am taking the liberal side of things in this thread, and still being attacked by other libs taking what could be considered the conservative side of the argument....I guess it is just a contrarian approach....But still funny to see. :
    There's nothing funny about it. Neither is it a polarised political position.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I have 35 years RN experience within Psychiatry...

    Suicide during mania is rare due to a tendency to euphoria. (or feeling of extreme wellbeing) Your wild swings in attempting to justify your initial sympathy toward a murderer are all too obvious.
    Actually suicide is very high in the depression or mixed mania period. There are two phases to bipolar.

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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Watching this on the news, I was instantly furious when they said "no word yet on whether the team plans to commemorate him." How in the heck are you going to consider for even an instant commemorating a POS murderer? I hope he gets a one-way ticket to hell, even just for the cowardly suicide. I hate how society considers looking past the crap athletes and celebrities did while alive and only see the positive as soon as they're dead. I don't believe in the stupid free pass for drugs or other wrongful acts just for obtaining some fame.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You really have zero understanding of mental illness do you, and to be so brash, and abrasive in attacking not only the victims of this tragedy, but the victim's parents as well? That's just deplorable....Do me a favor, and don't respond to my postings anymore, you have nothing to offer but vitriol, and hatred. Go away.
    Why are you talking mental illness? he just shot his girlfriend. He is famous and there is little chance for him to hide. He didn't kill himself because he was mentally unstable, he killed himself to avoid going to jail and living the life he screwed up. No, I don't have sympathy for him. I have sympathy for a lot of people, but not this one. Life was pretty good for this guy. He makes millions of dollars, plays a game, has a girlfriend who was stupid enough to love him, and pretty much could go and do anything he wanted. Football gets you down? Finish the season, collect your money, and go find something you enjoy. It is not like this guy was poor and stuck where he was. he could have gone anywhere from where he was. Instead it was all just so hard for him that he had to shoot his girlfriend. No, he did not shoot himself first, he decided to shoot his girlfriend. So really this probably boils down to some stupid domestic thing and he pissed his life away because he couldn't stand the pain of his girlfriend doing whatever it is she did. I am not amused when whiny little emos spend all their time lamenting over some lost love, and i am certainly not going to be impressed when some jock with everything does it. You play football and make lots of money, i am sure there is more than one woman out there to polish your knob for you. You want me to have sympathy show me someone who has no opportunities and decides they cannot take it. Don't bring up some guy who shot his bitch for some stupid reason then figured out jail sucked and his life was ruined and offed himself. No, there is a special place in hell for this bastard.

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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I have 35 years RN experience within Psychiatry...
    Ok, am I supposed to bow now, or what?

    You first excused his murderous behaviour with speculation on severe depression, now you sidestep to bipolar once that has been confounded. Suicide during mania is rare due to a tendency to euphoria. (or feeling of extreme wellbeing) Your wild swings in attempting to justify your initial sympathy toward a murderer are all too obvious.
    I "excused" nothing. I merely stated that there was something about this story that leaped off the page and screamed mental illness.

    In a prospective study, 186 unipolar depressives and 220 cases of bipolar disorder meeting DSM-III criteria for major depression or mania were followed up. Subjects were classified according to polarity and the presence or absence of schizophrenic symptoms, into four diagnostic subgroups: unipolar depression, bipolar disorder, unipolar schizoaffective disorder and bipolar schizoaffective disorder. At the last follow-up in 1985, 53% of the patients had deceased. Eleven percent of the sample (17% of all deaths) had committed suicide. The risk of suicide was associated with clinical severity and onset prior to the age of 60. However, there was no difference in suicide rates according to sex or diagnostic subgroup. Late onset of affective illness was associated with chronicity, which occurred in 10 to 19% of cases. Recovery was more frequent among unipolar than among bipolar patients. The 5-year remission rates (i.e. 26% in unipolars, 16% in bipolars) were independent of the number of episodes.

    Outcome of a clinical cohort of unipolar, bipolar and schizoaffective patients. Results of a... - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central
    Suicide, which is both a stereotypic yet highly individualized act, is a common endpoint for many patients with severe psychiatric illness. The mood disorders (depression and bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once.

    Suicide and bipolar disorder. [J Clin Psychiatry. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI
    Obviously articles written show that suicide rates for this disorder are prevalent. Anywhere from 17% in one European study, to as much as 50% in an American study. Your conclusions above are misleading.

    Then don't make assumptions that he's mad and not just bad. My comment on selfisheness is not only observed from personal and professional experience, it is a widely held belief. Try google.
    35 years eh? Well, maybe that much time in the field has jaded you, or maybe you are just angry, IDK. But, I can only say that studies back up my nod toward not prejudging the event.

    There's nothing funny about it. Neither is it a polarised political position.

    I think the role reversal is funny comparatively speaking in the argument on this, not the act that happened for Christs sake....Take a chill pill.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Why are you talking mental illness? he just shot his girlfriend. He is famous and there is little chance for him to hide. He didn't kill himself because he was mentally unstable, he killed himself to avoid going to jail and living the life he screwed up. No, I don't have sympathy for him. I have sympathy for a lot of people, but not this one. Life was pretty good for this guy. He makes millions of dollars, plays a game, has a girlfriend who was stupid enough to love him, and pretty much could go and do anything he wanted. Football gets you down? Finish the season, collect your money, and go find something you enjoy. It is not like this guy was poor and stuck where he was. he could have gone anywhere from where he was. Instead it was all just so hard for him that he had to shoot his girlfriend. No, he did not shoot himself first, he decided to shoot his girlfriend. So really this probably boils down to some stupid domestic thing and he pissed his life away because he couldn't stand the pain of his girlfriend doing whatever it is she did. I am not amused when whiny little emos spend all their time lamenting over some lost love, and i am certainly not going to be impressed when some jock with everything does it. You play football and make lots of money, i am sure there is more than one woman out there to polish your knob for you. You want me to have sympathy show me someone who has no opportunities and decides they cannot take it. Don't bring up some guy who shot his bitch for some stupid reason then figured out jail sucked and his life was ruined and offed himself. No, there is a special place in hell for this bastard.

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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Internet SOP:

    Keyboard commandos, devoid of medical professional credentials, pass harsh judgement regarding a situation without having enough details.

    No news at 11.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Internet SOP:

    Keyboard commandos, devoid of medical professional credentials, pass harsh judgement regarding a situation without having enough details.

    No news at 11.

    hey now, the proper term is armchair psychologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    hey now, the proper term is armchair psychologists.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Internet SOP:

    Keyboard commandos, devoid of medical professional credentials, pass harsh judgement regarding a situation without having enough details.

    No news at 11.
    well, there is one detail we all possess. He murdered an innocent woman.
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