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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't know what's going on as of late, several suicides over the past couple of years, including Junior Seau of the Chargers....As a lover of football, I hope that it is not ultimately linked to repeated head hits causing this, I'd hate to see the sport go....


    Sympathies to KC fans, and the family.
    The repeated head hits is a good thing to bring up. I'm happy that this issue is being resolved--especially in High School football.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, pretty cold guys...
    He's a murderer, **** him. TBI isn't an excuse.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Someone suffering from severe depression, possibly hallucinations auditory, or visual don't think in terms of selfish v. rational behavior. These are pitfalls to an uneducated opinion of suicide that we are only now starting to understand.
    My comment is entirely informed on the topic. What is your expertise?
    Someone in severe depression is physically and mentally slowed to the point that they lack the volition if not the motivation to kill themselves. People in severe depression, treated with electroplexy are notoriously at most at risk of suicide around the third or fourth treatment, when their mood is still low, but they are more alert, aware and oriented, so that they are capable of acting on their thoughts.
    Those who behave in a selfish way don't always believe they are doing so. Given the circumstances of this case, having murdered someone, the realisation that his career, if not his life, was essentially finished, moved him to kill himself to avoid those consequences of what he'd done.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, pretty cold guys...The man obviously had some mental issues, and not only do BOTH of the families deserve some sympathy, but also for the man himself that felt this was his only option....
    Everybody who murders an innocent person and then kills himself has 'mental issues'. I don't give a crap. I care about the innocent and wouldn't waste one second grieving for this selfish bastard.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Actually that's not obvious. "Selfish, greedy bastard" might not come anywhere close to really describing what was going on his mind. I think that's just your emotional reaction to the heinous nature of what he ended up doing.
    Nothing 'emotional' about it. But thanks for the psychoanalysis.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I'm not claiming he was a great guy. Just saying it is not in fact "obvious" to any of us that "selfish, greedy" describes or explains why he did this. It's heinous, but we have no idea the real nature of this guy's ****ed-up-ness.
    I don't care about the nature of his ****ed-up ness. I care about the fact that he cold-bloodedly murdered an innocent person. Screw him.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    My comment is entirely informed on the topic. What is your expertise?
    I have close family members involved in being treated for depression, and in the past, or in the beginning if you will was intimately involved with doc's at John's Hopkins in Baltimore with their treatment in understanding what was going on...I'll just leave it there.

    Someone in severe depression is physically and mentally slowed to the point that they lack the volition if not the motivation to kill themselves. People in severe depression, treated with electroplexy are notoriously at most at risk of suicide around the third or fourth treatment, when their mood is still low, but they are more alert, aware and oriented, so that they are capable of acting on their thoughts.
    That may be totally true in terms of depression alone, however with illness such as bi-polar often includes times of mania, as well as times of deep depression. At the times of mania is often accompanied with a lack of sleep for up to days if not a week or more. This can bring on near psychotic behavior. I am not saying that this is 100% the case with this person, but to just jump to extreme, derogatory illustration of this mans motive without knowing is IMHO, a deplorable way of approaching it.

    Those who behave in a selfish way don't always believe they are doing so. Given the circumstances of this case, having murdered someone, the realisation that his career, if not his life, was essentially finished, moved him to kill himself to avoid those consequences of what he'd done.
    That could very well be the case as well. IDK....but all I am saying I guess is we should find out before we just start with the conclusion.

    Isn't amazing though, that some could say that I am taking the liberal side of things in this thread, and still being attacked by other libs taking what could be considered the conservative side of the argument....I guess it is just a contrarian approach....But still funny to see. :
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You mean the guy who played a game for a living and made huge amounts of money for doing so felt sad? Oh give me a break. I have the same to say about this that i did about kurt nobrain wacking himself. If you cannot find happiness with millions of dollars and a job that involves playing then you are are doing it wrong. If you want to quit the game with everything going for you then do it and stop taking out other people. Just don't tell me i have to care or give sympathy to the man and the screw ups who raised such a defective person.
    At least Cobain didn't decide to murder some innocent person before killing himself. You know what - if you're that ****ed-up then go ahead - kill yourself. Just don't take somebody else with you as some sort of statement.

    I find this sympathy for the perpetrator of his horror amazing. I guess that's why I'm only 'slightly liberal' as opposed to the full fledged kind.
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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I don't care about the nature of his ****ed-up ness. I care about the fact that he cold-bloodedly murdered an innocent person. Screw him.
    Am not defending the player but am not so ready to fully condemn him to eternal hell. There is something about this case that just indicates we don't know all the facts.

    Don't know if he had mental depression or chemical imbalance. Do know that he didn't go kill another boyfriend, family member, or just someone walking down the street.

    Also did not do an OJ Simpson and try to deny it. He accepted his wrongdoing and gave his thanks to his coaches and then ended his life.

    We will probably never know what went on between them. Women have killed their lovers and were found innocent due to being in abusive relationship. Obviously she could not physically abuse a football player but there is also mental abuse where you can push somebody over the line. Or as many suggest he may have just been a monster but I don't think so. The worst of this is that he has made his child an orphan and the child will never have the priviledge of knowing his parents.

    Some here have even blamed his parents which I find completely off the chart.

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    Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player, UMaine Graduate Kills Girlfriend, Self

    I hope he's rotting in the worst sewer in all of Hell

    He made his choices. May his name be spat upon for eternity.

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