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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    When are the Obama supporters going to realize that the election is over? Obama doesn't need you now. Obama also realizes that if he were able to run again in four years, and even if you and the flood damage were ignored for the entire four years, YOU would still vote for Obama. So don't expect him to come knocking at your door anytime soon. Next time he needs you, he'll send you a $35.00 cell phone.

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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The difference between these folks and those on the Mississippi Gulf Coast who lost their homes but didn't complain about FEMA or the government is that the people in Mississippi relied on themselves and these New Yorkers thought they could rely on the government.
    Absolutely. As one astute observer noted after Katrina, "Republicans cry for action. Democrats cry for help." There was a vast difference in the way the people of Lousiana responded, compared to the people of Mississippi and Texas.

    The people of New York and New Jersey who relied on the government to take care of them, or believed the promises of Obama & Co., are receiving exactly what rational people would expect: nada. Whether or not they actually learn the lesson is still an open question, but I would bet they won't learn a thing.
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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Government is usually too big to do things quickly, and counting on them to do so is a mistake. The best thing FEMA can do is coordinate the response of smaller agencies. Maybe Obama should go and organize the community.
    That's a brilliant idea! Therefore, it will not happen.
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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Senator Trent Lott was serving in Congress when the hurricane came. He worked very hard to convince his own party to 'not forget' the Gulf Coast. Still there was quite a stink raised as the massive scale of the flooding from torrential rains proved as devastating as the hurricane was with surge and wind. There was a double whammy when the insurance companies slipped off the hook for payments when the claim that the floods caused by the hurricane not the hurricane wind and storm surge caused a great deal of the damage.

    The BushII crowd just shrugged and said... they know best...

    I also recall the MidWest being hit by floods when the Red and Missouri Rivers flooded several times in recent history. I recall the Dakmota folk being very upset with the Gubmint over levee collapse as well as deliberate flooding of farmland in an attempt to save cities along the rivers. The swath of destruction was of course much narrower, no stranded in a dead city, but the calls for help and frustration were ever present. one big issue was claims not being paid fast enough to suit many.

    There are just some folks who would bitch if you hung 'em with a new rope. No corner of our grand and glorious Republic has a lock on whine...

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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Why would Obama and Democrats do anything for New Yorkers? They will vote Democrat regardless and will blame it on Republicans anyway.

    Once Obama had Christy's endorsement he flew off to Las Vegas because there was no reason left for him to do anything. He got more than he should have been able to hope for. Why stick around?

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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Probably be redundant to mention that Romney's a good guy, if he'd been elected, he would have taken good care of you by now, even if Obama had tried to stop him.

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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    They think Obama is literally a supervillain.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They think Obama is literally a supervillain.

    No, Obama is not a super anything...In fact his action in disaster is by now predictable...When the oil spilled in the Gulf, he sprinkled a little Dawn and then forgot about it.. Same here, he flew to NJ, got Crispy Cream to endorse his oh so caring response, then he's out....good luck Rockaway's, good luck LI, good luck Point Pleasant, your on your own now...

    At least there is a little entertainment in that I am sure that liberals/progressives are looking for a way to blame it on Bush....
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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The difference between these folks and those on the Mississippi Gulf Coast who lost their homes but didn't complain about FEMA or the government is that the people in Mississippi relied on themselves and these New Yorkers thought they could rely on the government.

    People who rely mainly on the government will always find frustration and disappointment. The main function of government is to keep bureaucrats employed. All else is secondary and without much priority.

    But to be fair to FEMA, what they are tasked with doing is impossible. A federal agency can't be expected to provide assistance tailored to each individual family. Agencies are built to respond with one-size-fits-all solutions by necessity. The more the red tape is pared back the more fraud there will be.

    The best assistance comes from local groups who know the problems and know what people need.
    A very well reasoned answer.

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    re: Angry New Yorkers say Obama pledge to cut red tape ignored by FEMA [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The difference between these folks and those on the Mississippi Gulf Coast who lost their homes but didn't complain about FEMA or the government is that the people in Mississippi relied on themselves and these New Yorkers thought they could rely on the government.
    You really think that the areas hit by Sandy even slightly resemble the MS gulf coast? You need to go visit NY. Just the absurd idea you think both could be handled the same shows you have absolutely no clue just what scale you are dealing with. Simply katrina could not do as much damage as Sandy because there simply is not even close to as much to damage where katrina hit. So yes despite GWB's complete stupidity in waiting so he could gain political points it was actually much easier to handle the destruction of Sandy. NY people did not rely on the government. Some people may have had to because they lost everything and had nothing, but most actually did the work themselves. Some of the work simply is not possible to do yourself. Road destruction, downed Utilities, and things like subway flooding are not simply things you can just march out there and fix as a private citizen. Just the idea that you think lots of people are complaining shows you really have no idea how many people live in the area you are whining about.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    People who rely mainly on the government will always find frustration and disappointment. The main function of government is to keep bureaucrats employed. All else is secondary and without much priority.
    Stupid point, this is not a bunch of farmers who might need some help. This is an area packed tight with peopleThere are no huge breaks of farmland around where Sandy hit. This is dense suburbs and packed cities. Of course Staten Island is going to be helped last. You have manhattan, bronx, brooklyn, and so many more crowded and important areas to deal with. The problems in manhattan alone are much more important to get fixed for all of us because of the revenue that place brings to this country. You have no clue how you organize repairs during a huge disaster. you don't go to the whiners first, you do the important places first and get to the most people. yes, that means some people are just going to have to suck it up, but that does not mean they won't bitch.

    you should also be aware that this is a disaster trhat has hit a major populated area. no one can do this quickly. it is impossible to do quickly. the scale of population and destruction in this case are well beyond the capabilities of the human race to fix in a day or two. So yes a few whiny little bitches will have to pitch their fit. pretending those whiners are the majority of new yorkers shows how completely ignorant you are of the area. please take your bitch over to any NYer and tell them this to their face. We will contact you in the hospital when they remove the Ny boot from your colon.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    But to be fair to FEMA, what they are tasked with doing is impossible. A federal agency can't be expected to provide assistance tailored to each individual family. Agencies are built to respond with one-size-fits-all solutions by necessity. The more the red tape is pared back the more fraud there will be.

    The best assistance comes from local groups who know the problems and know what people need.
    Small problem with that idea. The local groups also had their hurricane problems. The small groups who were in the area had no power, their people were fixing their own homes, and everyone was in the same boat.

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