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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Ya, sure. voyeurism is a "disorder", yet homosexuality is not. Fetishism is a disorder, yet homosexuality is not. homosexuality was removed only due to pressure of homosexuals themselves and the media who pushes their garbage down everyone's throat. The musings amongst the bubble of PC fools you surround yourself with, who probably couldn't even pass a freshman real science class, have little bearing on the actual reality of why it was removed.
    This post demonstrates just how uneducated you are on this topic. There is so much incorrect with what you wrote here, it would take several posts to cover it all. And... since you seem quite content to remain uneducated on this topic, it is not worth my time to correct you.
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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This post demonstrates just how uneducated you are on this topic. There is so much incorrect with what you wrote here, it would take several posts to cover it all. And... since you seem quite content to remain uneducated on this topic, it is not worth my time to correct you.
    I'm actually kind of interested in his point though and would hope you could elaborate. What exactly defines sexuality? As far as I can tell it's that as opposed to the links that fetishes like voyeurism have with anti-social behavior, homosexuality and heterosexuality have no observable behavior which could lead a professional to call either paraphilias. Is that it? Or is there something else?
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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    When is this ridiculous PC era going to end?
    This UTTER GARBAGE does NOT belong in a classroom. It does NOT belong in a school.
    I might agree with it. Thing is..... ANY child should not be subjected to this. They are to be taught skills to enhance their future jobs. NOT moral or religios nor spiritual things. That junk has no place in a classroom. Teach them the stock exchange and English. How to better themselves. Sex belongs outside the school. The woman should be fired.
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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Ummm a sexual orientation cannot be compared to a fetish. Unless you want to compare heterosexuality to a fetish.
    I don't recall heterosexuality ever being listed as a disorder. So I have no idea what you are babbling about here.

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    And no it wanst removed due to pressure of gay people. All gay people wanted was for the APA to look at a study that suggested that homosexuality wasnt a mental disorder and after 8 years of trying they finally did. Ive noticed when people make claims like yours they never offer any sort of proof to go along with it. So please if you have proof to back up your claims go ahead and post it.
    Of course it was. Being ignorant of the truth doesn't change the truth. Even the preident in charge ot the APA at the time who took homosexuality off the books as a disorder was a closet homosexual. Gee, i bet he was a fair and impartial president. There was even a referendum after they removed homosexuality from the DSM. A referendum? That's not the scientific method, it's the political method.

    Why listen to me? How about a former president of the APA?

    Former APA President Says Homosexuals Can Change

    succinctly: they threw science in the trash to further the libofascist PC agenda.

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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I don't recall heterosexuality ever being listed as a disorder. So I have no idea what you are babbling about here.



    Of course it was. Being ignorant of the truth doesn't change the truth. Even the preident in charge ot the AAP at the time they took homosexuality off the books was a closent homosexual. gee, i bet he was a fair and impartial president. there was even a referndum after they removed homosexuality from the DSM. That's not the scientific method, it's the political method.

    Why listen to me? How about a former president of APA?

    Former APA President Says Homosexuals Can Change

    succintly: they threw science in the trash to further the libofascist PC agenda.

    With the position you have you are going to get pummeled on here by gays and straights alike....your not totally wrong of course anything that doesnt help their cause that they can they will sweep under the rug...I agree, but when you say that you also have to say that so does every other single group that is trying to get or hide something..I was born and raised a catholic meaning I was baptized and received communion..the catholic church swept their pedophilia problem under the rug for decades. I could go on and on about organizations and movement on both sides of the political spectrum that sweep what they dont want the public to see under the rug...
    Yes there are those that work tirelessly to only put anything homosexual in a good light and spin in it in a good light...to make it more acceptable...but so does everyone else and you need to include that..and not just single one thing out.

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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Of course it was. Being ignorant of the truth doesn't change the truth. Even the preident in charge ot the APA at the time who took homosexuality off the books as a disorder was a closet homosexual. Gee, i bet he was a fair and impartial president. There was even a referendum after they removed homosexuality from the DSM. A referendum? That's not the scientific method, it's the political method.
    From your source:

    Dr. Nicholas Cummings, the man who led the movement to have homosexuality declassified as a mental illness, told an interviewer with NARTH, an organization of psychology professionals dedicated to helping homosexuals stop their self-destructive behavior, leave the “lifestyle,” and lead happy lives as normal adults, stresses that he is “lifelong champion” of “gay rights.
    Nicholas Cummings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nicholas Cummings has been married to Dorothy Mills Cummings for over 60 years. They have two children, Janet and Andy, and two grandchildren, Amy and Kent.
    When was Dr. Nicholas Cummings a homosexual? Before you go on....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex..._health_issues

    In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[3] Thereafter other major mental health organizations followed and it was finally declassified by the World Health Organization in 1990. Consequently, while some still believe homosexuality is a mental disorder, the current research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality, reflecting the official positions of the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association.
    I looked up the president for that year:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_E._Tyler

    Couldn't find a single thing about her sexuality.
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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When was Dr. Nicholas Cummings a homosexual?
    Don't think he ever was, nor did I say such. try to work on your horrible reading comprehension. The president at the time was John Spiegel.

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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Don't think he ever was, nor did I say such. try to work on your horrible reading comprehension. The president at the time was John Spiegel.
    In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[3]
    American Psychological Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    1977 Theodore H. Blau
    1976 Wilbert J. McKeachie
    1975 Donald T. Campbell
    1974 Albert Bandura
    1973 Leona E. Tyler
    1972 Anne Anastasi
    No presidents named John Spiegel.

    Oh my bad, kept reading APA without seeing psychiatric > psychological. But hey found this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_...sychiatrist%29

    The GAYPA worked in the APA to get Dr. Robert Spitzer (the head of the APA) to rewrite the 81 word definition. The story ends with Dr. John P. Spiegel, president-elect of the APA, accepting the new definition of homosexuality.
    Spitzer, in charge of the revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, was left to decide whether homosexuality should be included in the manual. He decided against inclusion, since mental disorders would be identified by the distress an individual felt or an impairment of functioning. He ruled that homosexuality would be deleted from the list of mental disorders and that a listing of "ego-dystonic homosexuality" be included; that is, homosexuality that causes distress to the individual.... He stated that the revision in the manual could provide the possibility of finding a homosexual to be free of psychiatric disorder.[18]
    So the guy who wrote the new definition wasn't gay, however he did write a pretty controversial paper on changing gays to straight only to write this after:

    Several months ago I told you that because of my revised view of my 2001 study of reparative therapy changing sexual orientation, I was considering writing something that would acknowledge that I now judged the major critiques of the study as largely correct. After discussing my revised view of the study with Gabriel Arana, a reporter for American Prospect', and with Malcolm Ritter, an Associated Press science writer, I decided that I had to make public my current thinking about the study. Here it is.

    Basic Research Question. From the beginning it was: “can some version of reparative therapy enable individuals to change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual?” Realizing that the study design made it impossible to answer this question, I suggested that the study could be viewed as answering the question, “how do individuals undergoing reparative therapy describe changes in sexual orientation?” – a not very interesting question.

    The Fatal Flaw in the Study – There was no way to judge the credibility of subject reports of change in sexual orientation. I offered several (unconvincing) reasons why it was reasonable to assume that the subject’s reports of change were credible and not self-deception or outright lying. But the simple fact is that there was no way to determine if the subject’s accounts of change were valid.

    I believe I owe the gay community an apology for my study making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy. I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some “highly motivated” individuals.[
    So the guy who actually made the decision to change the definition of homosexuality as a disorder, made a study to validate his contention that gays could be changed into straights, then recanted a few years later. Far different story than the one you're telling.
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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    With the position you have you are going to get pummeled on here by gays and straights alike....your not totally wrong of course anything that doesnt help their cause that they can they will sweep under the rug...I agree, but when you say that you also have to say that so does every other single group that is trying to get or hide something..I was born and raised a catholic meaning I was baptized and received communion..the catholic church swept their pedophilia problem under the rug for decades. I could go on and on about organizations and movement on both sides of the political spectrum that sweep what they dont want the public to see under the rug...
    Yes there are those that work tirelessly to only put anything homosexual in a good light and spin in it in a good light...to make it more acceptable...but so does everyone else and you need to include that..and not just single one thing out..
    Gay people are not an organization. There is a difference there.

    Your broader point about people only focusing on the good is not an invalid one, but I don't think most equal rights supporters are really sweeping anything under the rug. Calling out people for spreading misinformation is not the same as hiding something.

    The reality is that homosexuality is basically immutable and is no more inherently sinister than left-handedness. Like straight people, gays come in all forms from pastor to mathematician to serial killer. When people suggest otherwise, such as using pride parades as an example of what gays are really like, they are simply displaying their ignorance.

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    Re: Teacher suspended for playing song about being gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    There are two APA's :American Psychological Association and American Psychiatric Association. John Spiegel.was preisdent elect of the latter, which is the organization that produces the DSM.

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