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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yes, sometimes the government has to step in to stop child abuse. It is a fact of life many parents abuse their children, and this is a case of abuse. Before you whine too much, this is not about the child's comfort at all. When a parent sends their child to force them to be straight it is about the fact the parents are uncomfortable. The child just is what it is, but the homophobic parents think that if they abuse the child enough the child will stop being gay. It doesn't work that way.

    What ends up happening is that in an attempt to please the abusive parents and avoid pain and abuse the child will attempt to repress their feelings and begin to become hateful of their own natural and appropriate feelings of homosexuality. yes, i said it being gay is completely appropriate for gay people. You may wish it wasn't, and you may dislike that sort of thing, but it doesn't hurt you, and no one has ever guaranteed you would walk around this world and like everything you see. If people like you could accept and love your children then this sort of thing would not be necessary to keep you from doing massive harm to your own kids based on your bigotry and hate.

    IMO people should be asked if they would send their kids to gay cure therapy and anyone who says yes should be immediately and permanently sterilized. Of course i will settle for it just becoming illegal for parents to do to their children. We cannot all get what we want.
    What makes it abuse?
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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    I have many comments, but the first one is this "resolution" shows one of the horrible problems in American politics.

    It has become completely irrelevant what politicians actually do, only what they say. They can do exactly the opposite of what they say. The only thing that matters are their words.

    The "resolution" has no legal effect at all. It is merely political. It does NOTHING.

    SO.... those who vote for it can go the Stonewalls asking their endorsement for the Democratic primary, pointing to this resolution...
    WHEN IN FACT, they has supported a law doing NOTHING.

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Overall, the growing number of politically correct, generically worded resolutions and laws all meant to stroke some political group, throwing people who aren't part of a political organization get thrown under the bus - to give bureacratic regulators ability to do whatever they want with vaguely worded administrative and professional review laws really sucks.

    Real dedicated professionals in the medical field increasingly have to sometimes go underground to actual do their job - or just refuse to provide medical / psychiatric care.

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Real dedicated professionals in the medical field increasingly have to sometimes go underground to actual do their job - or just refuse to provide medical / psychiatric care.
    Fortunate for us, then, that those who practice 'sexual-orientation therapy" aren't "real" professionals. Your concern for them is duly noted, though.
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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    NO NO NO...apdst, I am one with an opposing opinion on gay marriage...but this is not aimed at shutting down an opposing opininion...its closing down laboratories who goal is to brainwash someone into saying they are not what they are.....surely you can see the difference....this law being passed does not make it illegal for to oppose anything....just not doctrinate people to suit your will
    It's not a law, it's a resolution. If it were a law, it would be time to go to the cartrige box.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    One of the most highly respected psychiatrists, now semi-retired, and personally who is openly bisexual, engaged in "sexual reorientation therapy" for a number of men who has experienced the same extreme violent abuse, sexual abuse and psychological abuse in their childhoods. What triggered her involvement was when a man murdered his lover he was living with by cutting off his genitals. The defense asked her to explore an "insanity" defense.

    After some exploration, she opted out of participation with the criminal case, but in her explorations found that man's adult relationship history had exactly the same pattern over and over again. And when she found a couple other men of such childhoods, both also had exactly the same history, and she did find a few former mates of theirs. For all 3, they would rapidly enter into cohabitation relationships with older, financially secure and confident men. Those older men (not seniors) found the relationship to be unusually excellent. But that the younger man was possible too submissive and eager to please. But the relationship did not last long. For all 3 and in each relationship, at some point just prior to sex the young man would suddenly violently assault the older man, may or may not rob him, and leave not to be heard from again. All 3 were repeating this over and over and over.

    What appeared different in the murder case, was that the older man (in his 40s) had been an Army Ranger and was a black belt - so put up a powerful defense. When a knife came into that fight, the point of attack of the younger man was not the older man's heart, throat etc, but specifically the older man's genitalia.

    And the number of such men of the identical past as those 3 was likely over 100, all very violent time bombs for others, and obviously needing help themselves. One decided to "experiment" with one of them (and asked me to assist, why I am familiar). I was hesitant but after some terms negotiations agreed. There were specific reasons she had searched me out to ask to assist her. A few other specialists in sexual issues involved as her consultants. I'll jump past all that and I soon opted out of any further involvement. The "experiment" was video taped and also watched live by hidden camera. She and other professionals were visible shaken by how instantly her patient completely shifted to become violent and by how violent and skillfully violent he became. I was not surprised, predicted that would happen, but also knew I could deal with it - to restrain him until he calmed - without hurting that guy - who was about my age.

    They also were surprised with what I was saying to calm him. Words that seemed to make little sense or to be irrelevant. I knew what I was dealing with at that level. They only knew what they thought they knew academically maybe.

    Her ultimate conclusion was that these men were not gay. They believed they were gay. They knew they could use being gay beneficially too and that they were skilled at being gay. They were, subconsciously, highly manipulative of themselves to then be manipulative of the older men. And all went excellent until the younger man subconsciously came to identify the man as an abuser BUT also recognized that he was physically more powerful than that older man - unlike in his youth - so struck out at the abuser violently. What clearly was assault against the older man to others was acting in self defense to the younger man. That was her opinion of it. And there were over 100 young men of various ages out there most - but not all - likely of the identical explosively violent psychology.

    Would "therapy" to address her opinion of those men actually were not gay be considered "gay corrective therapy?" As for how the law is written in California, yes, or at least a huge risk of it in relation to a professional's license. Since she was on of the early pioneers who refused to consider being gay an mental illness, she is of a nature to not give a damn what the current concensus of her profession or law is. But few would dare proceed against such laws nor be willing to engage in high-risk and overall questionable counseling and therapy.

    I'm not such a professional and the above ^ is just how I understood it. Like I said, while she continued to communicate with me about this, I wanted nothing further to do with it. I didn't want to and I have my own life to live.

    If such anti-gay therapy laws outlawed specific practices in detail (like NORMAL laws do), rather than totally vague please-the-gay-political-organizations language - such as no electro-shock therapy, no isolation therapy, no ridicule by others etc - then I could support it.

    But 1 sentence laws that say "no gay conversion therapy' or "no gender reorientation therapy" - as the actual law - with 5,000 words of preamble political/social correctness language written by some gay activist organization isn't accept to me. It is to declare that the agenda-of-the-moment of such organizations is everything, only they exist, and exactly everyone else can go to hell, with only a foolish professional willing to risk their license to the whims of a political-correctness administrative review board concerning a law that really commands "do nothing that the gay political community might not like."
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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    What rights would those be? Medicinal or Psychotherapeutic practices that have no demonstable benefits in addition to demonstrably negative side effects (i.e. drastically increased suicide rates and mental trauma), have no place in mainstream society, especially when dealing with minors.

    Also, really enjoyed this quote from Gov. Brown
    Are you claiming psychotherapy has no benefit to society?

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-n...me-gay-1463143

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Are you claiming psychotherapy has no benefit to society?
    I don't think anyone can broadly claim psychotherapy has no benefit to society in general. However, there are some psychotherapy methods that do indeed cause negative side-effects with minors.

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Because it usually is coerced.
    Well there is that, but how do you go about proving if that existed or not? Like I said, give the kid full knowledge and let them decide.
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    Wow, a pill that makes someone gay.
    Now, find a pill that makes someone straight and everyone gets to make his or her "choice."

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