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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your evidence?
    Early techniques of conversion therapy used aversion... such as electro-shock to alter behaviors. Participants reported psychological trauma that is often associated with aversion therapy. As someone who worked with a psychiatrist who practiced this form of treatment... and was fired and de-licensed for doing so, I have seen firsthand how these techniques cause harm.

    More recent studies show that around 50% of people who participate in conversion therapy had harmful effects, including severe depression and suicidality. Also, about 50% of people self-reported harmful effects of conversion therapy, including self-reports of anger, anxiety, confusion, depression, grief, guilt, hopelessness, deteriorated relationships with family, loss of social support, loss of faith, poor self-image, social isolation, intimacy difficulties, intrusive imagery, suicidal ideation, self-hatred, and sexual dysfunction. Also, conversion therapy has VERY high drop out rates, a good indicator in research of a treatment that is causing harm.

    Further, practicing conversion therapy is a major no-no ethically and will get you de-licensed. Reason being, it is unethical to treat something that is NOT a disorder... and since homosexuality is not a disorder, herein lies the problem. Conversion therapy tends to stigmatize, adding guilt and shame to an individual.

    The biggest problem here is the misunderstanding of the issue. If a client comes to a therapist, having some distress over being gay... or straight for that matter, one must first examine where this is coming from. It probably has zero to do with sexual orientation. This is a sexual disorder, a mood disorder, some other disorder, or some combination, NOT a problem with sexual orientation.

    Now, I have no issue with conversion therapy being banned for minors. No one has the right to force a sexual orientation on anyone... including parents. I am involved in this exact situation, currently. The parents have no place to tell my minor client what he or she can be. On the other hand, I see no reason why an adult cannot choose to engage in this form of therapy... if they choose to. They do need to understand that they will be treated by an unlicensed therapist using a type of treatment that has been shown to be harmful, has show to be ineffective, and has been determined to be unethical. If they still want to engage in this treatment... I have no issue with them doing so.
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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If we were to suppose that we could turn someone straight or gay through therapy, my question is why would you want to do that? If for no other reason than not liking homosexuality.
    If the kid wants to do it, let em. If they dont, then they wont. Why ban it if it aint forced? If said "therapy" is forced or not should be the only question. If its not, its none of our business. People who want to change change, those that dont wont. Much ado about nothing if you ask me. Wait........ you didnt. Oh well.
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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The message is coming from the government; that's what I disagree with.
    yes, sometimes the government has to step in to stop child abuse. It is a fact of life many parents abuse their children, and this is a case of abuse. Before you whine too much, this is not about the child's comfort at all. When a parent sends their child to force them to be straight it is about the fact the parents are uncomfortable. The child just is what it is, but the homophobic parents think that if they abuse the child enough the child will stop being gay. It doesn't work that way.

    What ends up happening is that in an attempt to please the abusive parents and avoid pain and abuse the child will attempt to repress their feelings and begin to become hateful of their own natural and appropriate feelings of homosexuality. yes, i said it being gay is completely appropriate for gay people. You may wish it wasn't, and you may dislike that sort of thing, but it doesn't hurt you, and no one has ever guaranteed you would walk around this world and like everything you see. If people like you could accept and love your children then this sort of thing would not be necessary to keep you from doing massive harm to your own kids based on your bigotry and hate.

    IMO people should be asked if they would send their kids to gay cure therapy and anyone who says yes should be immediately and permanently sterilized. Of course i will settle for it just becoming illegal for parents to do to their children. We cannot all get what we want.

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Literally denying them the right? No. Issueing a government endorsed condemnation of that right? Yes, indeed.

    There isn't a dime's worth of difference in my book.
    One is enforced and one isn't, thats a big difference. Unless you want to tell me that's there's no difference between the government wanting you to eat healthy and literally shoving broccoli down your throat

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    "Sexual-orientation therapy" is quackery on a par with seltzer tonic.
    Once Obamacare kicks in, seltzer tonic is all they'll be able to afford to give you for that problem.
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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's aimed at shutting down an opposing opinion.
    NO NO NO...apdst, I am one with an opposing opinion on gay marriage...but this is not aimed at shutting down an opposing opininion...its closing down laboratories who goal is to brainwash someone into saying they are not what they are.....surely you can see the difference....this law being passed does not make it illegal for to oppose anything....just not doctrinate people to suit your will

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If the kid wants to do it, let em. If they dont, then they wont. Why ban it if it aint forced? If said "therapy" is forced or not should be the only question. If its not, its none of our business. People who want to change change, those that dont wont. Much ado about nothing if you ask me. Wait........ you didnt. Oh well.
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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, screw free speech. Right?

    This is no different than a resolution denouncing gays for making their sexuality public.
    None of that has anything to do with free-speech. Nobody is saying you can't speak against or for something in this case.

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Another outright assault on our rights.
    I don't think this belongs in the purview of a state legislature. If parents want to give their children "therapy" to change them from left-handedness, it's none of the state's business. To change them from being homosexual? Same difference. If a particular form of therapy is found to be abusive, then the parents and therapist should be brought up on appropriate charges.

    And P.S. -- therapy helping gay patients who want to be hetero doesn't necessarily mean changing them.

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    Re: Congress implored to denounce sexual-orientation therapy

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    Once Obamacare kicks in, seltzer tonic is all they'll be able to afford to give you for that problem.
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