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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama's plan is a joke. Ryan offered a plan last time we were at this juncture, and Obama invited him to a speech where Ryan thought he was going to hear some kind of counter, and instead his plan was publicly mocked, and Ryan called 'un-American'....

    Obama's budgets are a joke, and can't even get passed by Demo's in his own caucus...Then he mistakenly interprets a 2 or 3% victory as some kind of landslide mandate and spits out this kind of insulting proposal? Turn over congressional authority to oversee raising of the debt celling? Are you serious? Pfft....Nope, no, not nope, Hell NO!
    I'm sorry j, but that is blind partisanship and little more. They're all quite capable.

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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry j, but that is blind partisanship and little more. They're all quite capable.
    When Obama exhibits a "my way, or the highway" attitude concerning this, then what is there to talk about?
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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When Obama exhibits a "my way, or the highway" attitude concerning this, then what is there to talk about?
    Again, this whining is due to the oppositions spoiled hissy fit where they compromise on nothing and want everything including obama's resignation before they vote for anything. Sorry, but had the reps actually did something without being forced into a corner Obama would not have to force them into a corner. Don't worry, your guys will cave for the same reason they caved on the debt ceiling. It is their loss and they are holding their own wealth hostage. it is a stupid idea when you have made everyone either poor or rich to hold wealth hostage like that.

    The only thing this means is that next election people will still be pissed off with the spoiled child antics of the right wing and the right will continue to lose seats or run people who will actually compromise and want to help america.

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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Again, this whining is due to the oppositions spoiled hissy fit where they compromise on nothing and want everything including obama's resignation before they vote for anything. Sorry, but had the reps actually did something without being forced into a corner Obama would not have to force them into a corner. Don't worry, your guys will cave for the same reason they caved on the debt ceiling. It is their loss and they are holding their own wealth hostage. it is a stupid idea when you have made everyone either poor or rich to hold wealth hostage like that.

    The only thing this means is that next election people will still be pissed off with the spoiled child antics of the right wing and the right will continue to lose seats or run people who will actually compromise and want to help america.

    Wow, all I can say is wow....That is some convoluted thinking you have there....good luck with that. Oh, and the sunny disposition in relating your ideas is going to win over opponents to your way of thinking as well...Don't change a thing....
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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, all I can say is wow....That is some convoluted thinking you have there....good luck with that. Oh, and the sunny disposition in relating your ideas is going to win over opponents to your way of thinking as well...Don't change a thing....
    Oh, is that all you have is insults? no actual reason why it is wrong, just spouting BS? Oh, and please don't change a thing yourself. After the complete failure of the GOP in this last election i don't see any reason i have to change a thing, but your guys can either fade into obscurity or put some people in office who are not spoiled little children. obama seems just as sick of their crap as most other people. Even your own party has tried to fit norquist under the bus with romney and rove. you know your party is fail, and that is why all you have is insults and blather.

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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When Obama exhibits a "my way, or the highway" attitude concerning this, then what is there to talk about?
    Well, first, you weren't bitching about this with Bush. So, that alone makes your complaint laughable. However, again, they are grown ups with a job to do. They can return fire, and if they can't , we should elect better people.

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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Again, this whining is due to the oppositions spoiled hissy fit where they compromise on nothing and want everything including obama's resignation before they vote for anything.
    That is simply untrue. Whether you characterize the oppositions objections as whining, or some other pejorative that stems from an anger filled heart makes no difference to the fact the GOP came to the table already conceding that upper level incomes would be on the table, using last times $800 Billion hike. What Repubs are saying is that cuts have to be there as well.

    Sorry, but had the reps actually did something without being forced into a corner Obama would not have to force them into a corner.
    Yeah, that's crap, not to mention a bit of projection.

    Don't worry, your guys will cave for the same reason they caved on the debt ceiling.
    I don't have much faith in Boehner, so you may be at least partially right on that little part. But, if you want to talk caving, the last time this was at this point Obama, and the angry libs had much the same mantra, talking about 'tax cuts for the rich' and all', when in the end they were supposed to have come to a deal, when Obama stepped in the next day and tried to double the amount of increase toward the upper incomes. Then Obama, and the libs gave this speech where he spouted that in a time of recession was not time to raise taxes on anyone, so Obama extended the rates for everyone....Hmmm....That to me was Obama caving....Now, it is clear that liberals don't give a tinkers damn what raising taxes would do to the economy, they just want so badly to stick it to the so called rich. Now at that time the economy was growing twice as fast as it is now, so if it wasn't a good idea then, why is it now?

    It's $80 Billion. That will fund the government for 8 days...It is insignificant. Entitlement reform is what needs to be done here.

    It is their loss and they are holding their own wealth hostage. it is a stupid idea when you have made everyone either poor or rich to hold wealth hostage like that.
    No, It is the American people that lose here, by being unserved by an overly ideological President, and caucus in congress that absolutely do not understand basic economics, but rather want to use their office to punish whom they don't like, and do nothing to change the course that got us here.

    The only thing this means is that next election people will still be pissed off with the spoiled child antics of the right wing and the right will continue to lose seats or run people who will actually compromise and want to help america.
    Good grief, the election is all of 5 minutes old. Can we not start running the next one until after the swearing in ceremony in Jan please....
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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, first, you weren't bitching about this with Bush.
    This isn't about Bush Joe....Let's talk in the here and now can we?

    So, that alone makes your complaint laughable.
    No, what's laughable Joe, is for Boehner to come to the table with $800 billion in tax hikes, asking that entitlements be looked at, and what was the answer to that? Not only no, but instead he wants to INCREASE spending with another stimulus, and he wants the congressional constitutional authority stripped away from congress on debt ceiling, and given to him....That is not a serious proposal.

    However, again, they are grown ups with a job to do.
    Then liberals should start acting like it. Look, Republicans in congress were elected, and increased in the house as well. And CONGRESS holds the strings of the purse. NOT Obama. I agree with this....

    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says the so-called fiscal cliff is a "fantasy" being used as "an excuse to panic," and he is urging Republicans "to get a grip" on negotiations with President Barack Obama.

    The Georgia Republican made the comments Wednesday night at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California, according to the Ventura County Star.

    The newspaper reported that Gingrich described the crisis-like atmosphere of the budget negotiations as "a device to get all of us running down the road so we accept whatever Obama wants.


    Read more: Gingrich: 'Fiscal Cliff Is a Fantasy'
    This is a manufactured crisis. The house should tell Obama that they are willing to snap shut the checkbook, and not talk about a damned thing until The President, and liberals start showing a little respect in negotiating, and get realistic.

    They can return fire, and if they can't , we should elect better people.
    Good, then place the Ryan Budget on the table, and put the ball back on Obama....If that isn't good enough, or if Obama continues to bargain in bad faith, pull up stakes and close the checkbook until Obama and liberals realize who runs the purse in DC.
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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This isn't about Bush Joe....Let's talk in the here and now can we?



    No, what's laughable Joe, is for Boehner to come to the table with $800 billion in tax hikes, asking that entitlements be looked at, and what was the answer to that? Not only no, but instead he wants to INCREASE spending with another stimulus, and he wants the congressional constitutional authority stripped away from congress on debt ceiling, and given to him....That is not a serious proposal.



    Then liberals should start acting like it. Look, Republicans in congress were elected, and increased in the house as well. And CONGRESS holds the strings of the purse. NOT Obama. I agree with this....



    This is a manufactured crisis. The house should tell Obama that they are willing to snap shut the checkbook, and not talk about a damned thing until The President, and liberals start showing a little respect in negotiating, and get realistic.



    Good, then place the Ryan Budget on the table, and put the ball back on Obama....If that isn't good enough, or if Obama continues to bargain in bad faith, pull up stakes and close the checkbook until Obama and liberals realize who runs the purse in DC.
    No one said it was about Bush. I know you think you can dismiss a point about you because Bush's name was mentioned? That's funny.

    Both sides should start acting like adults, and you should stop making excuses for republicans.

    And while I agree we can survive the cliff, both sides manufactured the crisis. Both sides use it to their advantage. And both sides have the option of letting us go over the cliff.

    Yes, republicans can put up any proposal they please, and I'm fine with it. But stop pretending poor, poor republicans have been spending all these years as the only party negotiating in good faith. Try to recognize the silliness goes both ways.

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    Re: ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’ [W:66]

    Both houses passed the extension and created the cliff. The President signed it.

    Bring on this fictitious cliff and when the same disagreements don't increase the debt limit, they will surely cut spending.

    If something bad happens, then it will be just another piece of legislation that did not anticipate the consequences which will have to be fixed again and again.

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