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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Women have been allowed into combat roles here since 1989. Why can't the U.S.?

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Women have been allowed into combat roles here since 1989. Why can't the U.S.?
    They're in combat all the time, too.

    It's only certain units they're not in at present because those units have to fulfill certain functions.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Historically men go to war to protect their women and children from wars barbarism. Women do not belong in a combat situation period. Having said that though those little gook women were bad ass cold blooded killers so I could be wrong. And gook is not a racial slur, it was the term of the day like kraut or Jap, war words are not infraction worthy, I don't think.
    gook/go͝ok/
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    offensive. A foreigner, esp. a person of Philippine, Korean, or Vietnamese descent.
    A sloppy wet or viscous substance.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

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    That's one thing that kept me pissed off. Some chick gets her max, then gloats about it like she's the "bees knees", baddest mother****er in town. Congratulations lady, you were able to pass my minimum score.
    This is about the time when the macho, egotistical, superiority complex, sexist speak creeps out.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Perfect example of why I rarely respond to anything you post. I am here to discuss and debate issues, you are here to engage in petty little personal arguments. I have neither the time nor inclination for your idea of fun. Have a nice day.
    Play victim all you want. It was you who posted that 'terms of the day' can't be 'ethnic slurs'. Remind us which of those Asian wars you were a soldier in?
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Women should not be in combat. Period. It's not a women's rights thing. It's a performance thing. Heck, we (the Marine Corps) just sent a triathlete and a Crossfit instructor through Infantry Officers Course and neither one made it through 2 weeks of it. Sure, there were males that failed as well. However, if you put equal numbers of women through the course of men, you would have a huge percentage of failures. These 2 women were hand picked for the course and neither made it.

    Another issue that will arise is this. And I don't think anyone has thought of it. Let's say we allow women to openly go into infantry, artillery, etc. Btw, I think that is inevitable. Anyway, no physical test prior to, no pre screening, just an open door policy. Now, let's assume that 75%-85% of them fail the MOS schools due to not being able to physically perform. What are we to do with the failures? We will push them to non-combat jobs such as admin, aviation maintenance, supply, etc. What will occur then is a military full of women maintainers and supporters with a military full of male infantry, arty, etc. Recruiters will have to tell male recruits that they have to join a combat MOS because all of the support MOS's are full. After that, the Manpower sections at DOD will begin to see this disparity. The answer will be to lax the standards thus allowing more women through. This will especially effect the "combat support" MOS's such as artillery, tanks, light armored vehicles (or Strykers, Bradleys, etc). This is due to the fact that there are a few positions in those MOS's that don't require a lot of physical prowess. For instance, there are jobs in artillery that you can do that never require a service member to lift an artillery round (100-125lbs). However, the reason they don't lift the round is because their leaders plan around their weakness. Now, more of these positions will be filled with women. Eventually, these positions will all be filled and women will now be forced to perform physically. If (when for the most part) a woman can't perform and all of the aforementioned positions are filled, what are we to do? Fail? Quit?

    Finally, allowing women into combat MOS's will fail due to this. MOS's such as artillery, tanks, and light armored vehicles are the "Swiss Army knife" of the military. When these MOS's are not needed to do their primary job in a combat environment such as a COIN environment, they are called upon to fill an infantry role. Due to the fact that women are allowed at will into these MOS's, we lose that capability. They also will not have been screened for infantry. Sure, there are a few guys that can't fill the role now. However, we always need a radio watch or two. Now, those spots are filled by women. So the weak guys go on patrol and get waxed.

    There is a huge trickle down effect that politicians and you, the general public, will never see. Sure, the DOD will pump out school graduation stats and crap that you guys will bite hook, line, and sinker on. All of you will come on here touting the fact that women are scoring higher on academic tests than males. You may even get the opportunity to tout that they graduate at a higher rate than males. But what you won't see is that male Corporal or Sergeant having to plan a whole mission around the fact that PFC Suzy can't carry the radio, anti-tank rocket, machine gun, or anything else extra. You won't see them having to place PFC Suzy in a certain place in the squad that most likely won't require them to carry a much heavier male out if someone's hit. You won't see when PFC Suzy never leaves the wire to begin with because she was left back at the patrol base to do radio watch or stand post because she's on her period or just can't hack it. I'm not anti-women in the military. They do a great job in some cases. But I am totally against them being in combat MOS's.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Am I the only one who is more concerned about the danger of women being raped when held in closed quarters with men, then about whether or not women are suitable for combat?

    Seriously, does the ACLU even take women's safety into consideration?

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Am I the only one who is more concerned about the danger of women being raped when held in closed quarters with men, then about whether or not women are suitable for combat?

    Seriously, does the ACLU even take women's safety into consideration?
    It wouldn't be as prevalent as you think. What, are we a bunch of neanderthals or something?
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Women in combat should be treated the same as men in combat in the same situations. I don't want to hear about men who will "protect women" more than they will "protect their own comrades in arms". Soldiers are soldiers. Women in the military have the same responsibilities as their male counterparts. If they can fight for their country, and die for their country, they deserve equality. The USA is at war. Women who serve are at war. I cry to see our veterans return with their limbs and their minds destroyed because of what they have suffered... but I cannot and will not dismiss the sacrifice of women who have served with honor, simply because they lacked a penis in the field of battle.
    Apologies ahead of time I promise I am not being sexist, but I think you are vastly underestimating the role of testosterone and differences in the capacity of both male and female sympathetic nervous systems. Sure there may be some women who can fight just as well as men, but on average, biology dictates men are far superior at it. Women are far better at a lot of things then men, and things that I probably value a whole lot more than combat. But in terms of combat, it is a man's world.

    If you don't agree with this and think that women should be allowed to fight in combat, fine. But that means that women have to pass the same rigorous training bars which have been constructed for men. You can't claim they are equal, and turn a blind eye to the fact that women have much lower performance requirements.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It wouldn't be as prevalent as you think. What, are we a bunch of neanderthals or something?
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