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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    You apparently only read the top half now trying reading the whole thing.
    That didn't undo the fact that you stated there 'are no rules'

    It's like this: "There are rules - sometimes soldiers forget what they are"
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So unbelievably true. I'm tired of them maxing their PT tests with 3 pushups and a 2 hour 2 mile run time. Start meeting male standards and you might start being treated like a male.



    Have you been to war? If you had, you might have gotten the chance to see the difference between fighting with honor, and fighting like a coward.

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    You know what I think about war and how it should be fought, and how much combat time Ive logged. I aint hashing that now. I am here for other fish.

    I agree you with as far standards go. Hold everyone whatever their gender or lack thereoff to the same uniform standard for whatever it is they are supposed to do.

    I had first hand experiance with how disperate standards screw things up in combat. My situtation was slightley different but applicable. People have a hard enough time understanding each other when they know the same language and have the same culture, imagine how it is when you have people from different parts of the world and dont speak your language and then attempt to get them to work together in a cohesive fashion. Herding cats anyone? Fun times. Lets just say that inconvienent is not the word I would use for that type situation. BOHICA, SNAFU, or FUBAR would be much better applied.

    Back to the topic at hand yep definately got to have set standards. I absolutely agree. See even I can agree with Rabidalpaca old buddie old pal.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That didn't undo the fact that you stated there 'are no rules'

    It's like this: "There are rules - sometimes soldiers forget what they are"
    Taken out of context IF you read the whole thing. My point was that when something bad happens to a person they react as if there were no rules in many cases.

    Your last comment is no different than what I said.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    As has already been said earlier in the thread this has already been done by other countries and thrown right back out. It would be one thing if that wasn't the case, but it is. We will see the same thing that we see in firefighting ranks where they are given different standards and be considered as equal. The fact of the matter is that just weakens the unit as a whole is which anything but good. I wouldn't usually care about these matters all that much but this puts lives at risk that the nation is responsible for and so I can't agree.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If they want to revisit the entire standards (as they have done and always continue to do over time) then that's fine.

    I have and always will oppose gender-standards for areas of service where physical fitness and ability is key.
    I question if they are really key. Or just a way to limit female participation?

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I question if they are really key. Or just a way to limit female participation?
    Wow - yes, it's key.

    Everyone needs to be able to physically accomplish the same tasks in certain situations. There's no point in someone being in various situations if they can't do it - man or woman.

    If they want to reassess the standards and lower them all around then that's fine. . . and that makes perfect sense= changing things in response to advances in weapons and fighting styles, etc. Common sense, there.

    If the theater has changed they the standards need to change as well.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Wow - yes, it's key.

    Everyone needs to be able to physically accomplish the same tasks in certain situations. There's no point in someone being in various situations if they can't do it - man or woman.
    I didn't say they didn't. I do say there are more than one or two ways to accomplish any task.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't say they didn't. I do say there are more than one or two ways to accomplish any task.
    Which is true - it just doesn't change the importance of it.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Which is true - it just doesn't change the importance of it.
    The more alternatives you have, the less important it becomes. It's a minor point, but could be huge if the powers that be see only a one or two ways of it being done.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

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    ACLU sues over policy barring women from combat - chicagotribune.com


    The American Civil Liberties Union and four servicewomen sued the U.S. Defense Department on Tuesday to end a ban on women in combat, calling the military the last bastion of discrimination by the federal government and saying modern warfare has already put women in the line of fire.

    modern warfare doesn't have the clear boundaries that may have once existed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out
    It will be interesting. I don't have a problem with this happening so long as they pass the same fitness tests. When I was in the Marines, the females had a different annual physical fitness test. I think if they are going to tow the big guns on the long humps and whatnot... gotta meet the same physical ability tests. If so... by all means.
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