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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    As a genealogoist (read historian) i find the entire argument against women in combat to be stupid. Ancient tribes like my ancestors the Kelts had women in combat. One of the Keltic tribes fighting in Britain was led by a women. Zulus had women warriers.

    The Russians do as do may other countries.

    Now heres something to think about. I do not remember the exact year, but there was a Ms. Universe who was from Isreal and was also a tank commander.

    Woman are capable and in my opinion more fierce than men in many respects. They would also tend to be more focused. That is why whenever I worked in the field as a wildlife biologist I made sure my partner was a woman.
    We're not Russians or Amazons or Zulu or Celts. The average fit American female is not on par with the average fit American male - it takes an exceptionally fit female to be on par.

    I'm all for those being in because they won't come into a situation in which their inabilities won't get someone else's head lopped off.

    What makes no sense to me is that many men are quite capable, too, but if they don't meet their higher standards they're out - but they might have been able to make it in if they were a woman? How is that remotely fair?

    I don't like the pandering that goes on behind it. Some women cried and whined so they're in - but poor old Bryan was up and out before training was up? I declare bull****.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
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    They would also tend to be more focused. That is why whenever I worked in the field as a wildlife biologist I made sure my partner was a woman.
    Sure it wasn't because you don't need to be able to outrun the bear, just the person with you......

    I don't care if women serve in combat positions. I doubt that many would go for just plain old have gun will travel Infantry positions anyway.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We're not Russians or Amazons or Zulu or Celts. The average fit American female is not on par with the average fit American male - it takes an exceptionally fit female to be on par.

    I'm all for those being in because they won't come into a situation in which their inabilities won't get someone else's head lopped off.

    What makes no sense to me is that many men are quite capable, too, but if they don't meet their higher standards they're out - but they might have been able to make it in if they were a woman? How is that remotely fair?
    So what is different between an Isrealie Ms Universe, or Russian model, or any regular russian or isrealie and our women?

    BTW Kelt woman were not trained fighters, they were moms and landowners and housewives. So that also applies.

    So how are they different from us?

    Are you saying a woman can't fly a fighter jet or bomber or command a nuclear sub or destroyer or command tanks in battle?

    There are many forms of combat roles in the military that could and would be considered front line jobs. Being a grunt on the ground is just one of them. Oh. Also I consider female medics or rescue copter pilots as front line people.

    No slam but you seem to be limiting your assessment to just dog faces and not the other multitude of possibilities.

    IF women can fight and meet the standards already set for them in the military they deserve the chance
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sure it wasn't because you don't need to be able to outrun the bear, just the person with you......

    I don't care if women serve in combat positions. I doubt that many would go for just plain old have gun will travel Infantry positions anyway.
    No I started out with guys as partners and they did not compare to the women. The women had a bone to pick and did it with professionalism and dedication to objectives which made them more reliable in the pinch. In that field and others I would take a woman over a man any day.

    Also on your second point. I agree and I don't think it is limited to just women feeling that way.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Women aren't denied from those positions - that's not what we're discussing here. Women can and do all those things. I'm not even opposing women being in front line combat.

    I just think they ALL should meet the same fitness standards to do so.

    To me it just seems simple.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    War is like a street fight where there is just one rule. THERE AREN"T ANY. Should there be? Of course but tell that to a guy who just saw his whole squad blown away or a squad who saw their buddies die in some gruesome way.

    Most soldiers can hold it together and keep on going but its not easy and its not always.
    I wish it were that way.... a lot less American soldiers would die in that case. They are constantly being bounded by rules having to call in their targets, not able to damage certain structures, not being able to bomb certain areas, and such.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Frankly, I think PT requirements should be by MOS rather than gender. Seriously, why should a paralegal have to be held to the same physical standard as an infantryman, regardless of gender?
    Thats the militaries baliwick. Last I checked ALL Marines were riflemen FIRST then whatever their MOS was. I dont care what they do in that regard so long as it meets their needs.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    War is like a street fight where there is just one rule. THERE AREN"T ANY. Should there be? Of course but tell that to a guy who just saw his whole squad blown away or a squad who saw their buddies die in some gruesome way.

    Most soldiers can hold it together and keep on going but its not easy and its not always.
    That line Is old. So soldiers just run around crazed and conducting their selves like headless chickens? The moment **** gets real everything goes out the window?

    They're trained vigorously to overcome normal knee-jerk responses and such - there are rules and guidelines and when they're followed it enables them to regroup and make their way through **** situations.

    When soldiers forget their training- they suffer consequences.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I wish it were that way.... a lot less American soldiers would die in that case. They are constantly being bounded by rules having to call in their targets, not able to damage certain structures, not being able to bomb certain areas, and such.
    Viet Nam was a perfect example of that. One hand tied behind well you know.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That line Is old. So soldiers just run around crazed and conducting their selves like headless chickens? The moment **** gets real everything goes out the window?

    They're trained vigorously to overcome normal knee-jerk responses and such - there are rules and guidelines and when they're followed it enables them to regroup and make their way through **** situations.

    When soldiers forget their training- they suffer consequences.
    You apparently only read the top half now trying reading the whole thing.
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