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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, the fact that you had to go on this little diatribe to white wash your use of derogatory terms is all we need to know. What next? Nigger isn't a racial/ethnic slur? It's just the term of the day for black people? Just because something is the 'term' of the day to the historically illiterate, it does not mean it's not a racial/ethnic slur. The two are more than mutually exclusive.
    You misquoted me as libs are prone to do. I said war word not word of the day. We have never been in a war where the enemy was called "nigger". If you have to misquote people to make a point you obviously have no point.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You misquoted me as libs are prone to do. I said war word not word of the day.
    Actually, you misquoted what I actually quoted from your post

    Here is what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by swayerloggingon
    And gook is not a racial slur, it was the term of the day
    Here is what I stated:

    Just because something is the 'term' of the day to the historically illiterate
    We have never been in a war where the enemy was called "nigger". If you have to misquote people to make a point you obviously have no point.
    Lol, your acrobatics do not remove from the fact that 'war words'/'terms of the day' and 'ethnic slurs' aren't mutually exclusive. Do you know what mutually exclusive means? That you even think that 'terms of the day' can't be ethnic slurs is ridiculous. That you immediately after using the term had to hide behind wars you yourself didn't fight in, is beyond laughable.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, you misquoted what I actually quoted from your post

    Here is what you said:



    Here is what I stated:





    Lol, your acrobatics do not remove from the fact that 'war words'/'terms of the day' and 'ethnic slurs' aren't mutually exclusive. Do you know what mutually exclusive means? That you even think that 'terms of the day' can't be ethnic slurs is ridiculous. That you immediately after using the term had to hide behind wars you yourself didn't fight in, is beyond laughable.
    Perfect example of why I rarely respond to anything you post. I am here to discuss and debate issues, you are here to engage in petty little personal arguments. I have neither the time nor inclination for your idea of fun. Have a nice day.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ACLU sues over policy barring women from combat - chicagotribune.com


    The American Civil Liberties Union and four servicewomen sued the U.S. Defense Department on Tuesday to end a ban on women in combat, calling the military the last bastion of discrimination by the federal government and saying modern warfare has already put women in the line of fire.

    modern warfare doesn't have the clear boundaries that may have once existed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out
    As long as standards are not dumb down and women abide by the same exact physical and mental standards and those as their male counterparts and it is not to costly to accommodate women I would have no problem allowing women.But knowing the clowns in office they are going to dumb down the standards just like they already do for women in the military,so I do not support allowing women into combat roles.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If women want to be in combat let them as long as they receive the same exact training as men, they have every right to be there too.
    Here here.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    lol, ok.


    The English referred to the Germans as "Jerry", and "slant" "gook" and "slope" were used as disparaging terms against the North Koreans and Vietnamese. We still view the enemy as people. They're just people we don't like, so why the **** would we refer to them using polite, PC terms?


    I had a North Korean in my sights once. He looked pretty human to me, and I would have killed him just the same if ordered.



    Thanks, I needed that chuckle. This isn't psychology, it's pretentious psychobabble and projection.


    Military and civilian mindsets and psychology are two entirely different things. You should leave both to the professionals who actually know what they're doing... for the most part anyway. Or keep going, since I find you telling us how we think to be hilariously entertaining.
    Actually its was Gerry for German. Not that bad considering.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Just to play devils advocate, we may question if those standards are really the important factor. Say all men became ill, and could not do anything physical, fires would still happen, and women would still fight them. They would adjust and develop different strategies for fighting them. In some cases, such rethinking may well lead to better strategies. I would not be too fixed to only one way of doing anything.
    If they want to revisit the entire standards (as they have done and always continue to do over time) then that's fine.

    I have and always will oppose gender-standards for areas of service where physical fitness and ability is key.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Oh yes it does, especially if you are the U.S..... I don't think war should have any boundaries, if you go to war, you go to war.... that said, war needs to have a clear goal and job to be done, and this goal/job must be important enough for some civilians to die... if it's not, than don't go to war.
    War is like a street fight where there is just one rule. THERE AREN"T ANY. Should there be? Of course but tell that to a guy who just saw his whole squad blown away or a squad who saw their buddies die in some gruesome way.

    Most soldiers can hold it together and keep on going but its not easy and its not always.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as standards are not dumb down and women abide by the same exact physical and mental standards and those as their male counterparts and it is not to costly to accommodate women I would have no problem allowing women.But knowing the clowns in office they are going to dumb down the standards just like they already do for women in the military,so I do not support allowing women into combat roles.
    Yeah, I would agree with having identical standards. To discriminate on the basis of gender, the government must show an important state interest in doing so. Military operations obviously have particular requirements. Failing to meet those requirements could endanger the operation, and lives. This certainly falls under my definition of an important state interest. However, if women meet those standards, I see no reason to deny women ground combat roles.

    Probably the one place that will continue to be a difficulty in integration would be submarine operations. Living space is at such a premium in a submarine that it just isn't practical to have separate facilities for men and women. This might remain an operational issue, at least until we're in that Starship Troopers stage where men and women shower together.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    War is like a street fight where there is just one rule. THERE AREN"T ANY. Should there be? Of course but tell that to a guy who just saw his whole squad blown away or a squad who saw their buddies die in some gruesome way.

    Most soldiers can hold it together and keep on going but its not easy and its not always.
    Seeing your squad blown away is not really a good reason to shoot children.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    As a genealogoist (read historian) i find the entire argument against women in combat to be stupid. Ancient tribes like my ancestors the Kelts had women in combat. One of the Keltic tribes fighting in Britain was led by a women. Zulus had women warriers.

    The Russians do as do may other countries.

    Now heres something to think about. I do not remember the exact year, but there was a Ms. Universe who was from Isreal and was also a tank commander.

    Woman are capable and in my opinion more fierce than men in many respects. They would also tend to be more focused. That is why whenever I worked in the field as a wildlife biologist I made sure my partner was a woman.
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