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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I didn't read the article before I posted. It's about the eighty-six thousandth time this issue has come up. My bad.

    If these female Service Members want to be Infantry, more power to them, but I don't see them complaining about the "inequality" in the PT standards. If they can pass the male standards of the PT test at a minimum of 70%, and maintain that, then by all means, let them in. If not, they can go back to being mechanics, medics, pilots, surgeons, heavy equipment operators, cooks, administrative personnel, electricians, drivers, Sappers, lawyers, Military Police, intelligence personnel, and all those other important roles which they feel aren't good enough.
    So unbelievably true. I'm tired of them maxing their PT tests with 3 pushups and a 2 hour 2 mile run time. Start meeting male standards and you might start being treated like a male.


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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The psychology is on my side on this one.
    lol, ok.

    When you refer to a German as a kraut or Jerry, or an Asian as a Jap or a squint or a slant or a gook, you are no longer referring to them as a person.
    The English referred to the Germans as "Jerry", and "slant" "gook" and "slope" were used as disparaging terms against the North Koreans and Vietnamese. We still view the enemy as people. They're just people we don't like, so why the **** would we refer to them using polite, PC terms?

    You have made them an item, a thing, a target to fill your reticule.
    I had a North Korean in my sights once. He looked pretty human to me, and I would have killed him just the same if ordered.

    Humans have done this throughout our entire recorded history, even as far back as the Babylonians repurposing the Sumerian mother-god Tiamat into a heinous beast that was the font of all evil. You see, if you aren't like us, then YOU must be "the bad guys," and we can kill you with a clear conscious.


    In the naval/aeronautical tradition, enemy troops on other ships are not people, they're "the enemy." But when that ship gets sunk, all of the survivors stranded in the water are "souls," as in, "the ship went down with 100 souls aboard, twenty souls got out in time"... until you pick them up out of the water, at which point they are then "prisoners".
    Thanks, I needed that chuckle. This isn't psychology, it's pretentious psychobabble and projection.

    This phenomenon is widely rampant today in the world of politics, most especially in the terms of overgeneralizaton, i.e. "all conservatives must necessarily be bigots," or "all liberals must necessarily be stupid and gullible." This accomplishes the same feat of taking an individual person out of any future equation and replacing them with a "thing" that just happens to be stupid/bigoted/something we can fundamentally disagree with on everything, and both parties have used this to package popular ideas with unpopular ones.
    Military and civilian mindsets and psychology are two entirely different things. You should leave both to the professionals who actually know what they're doing... for the most part anyway. Or keep going, since I find you telling us how we think to be hilariously entertaining.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So unbelievably true. I'm tired of them maxing their PT tests with 3 pushups and a 2 hour 2 mile run time. Start meeting male standards and you might start being treated like a male.
    That's one thing that kept me pissed off. Some chick gets her max, then gloats about it like she's the "bees knees", baddest mother****er in town. Congratulations lady, you were able to pass my minimum score.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Military and civilian mindsets and psychology are two entirely different things. You should leave both to the professionals who actually know what they're doing... for the most part anyway. Or keep going, since I find you telling us how we think to be hilariously entertaining.
    Do you watch sports? Do you have a "home team" and engage in rival behavior? Have you ever said something like "GO BLUE! Beat the Suck-eyes! Ohio fans are the worst!"?

    Or, how about this. I am a veteran of the Air Force - do you consider me "less" of a serviceman than you?
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Do you watch sports? Do you have a "home team" and engage in rival behavior? Have you ever said something like "GO BLUE! Beat the Suck-eyes! Ohio fans are the worst!"?
    No, I don't care for sports at all.

    Or, how about this. I am a veteran of the Air Force - do you consider me "less" of a serviceman than you?
    I consider you as somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about, concerning this particular subject.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    No, I don't care for sports at all.
    Do you know someone who does this? Have you ever heard any of your friends or relatives same something like, "Giants fans are doucebags," or, "Raiders fans are felons"?


    I consider you as somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about, concerning this particular subject.
    Your opinion is noted.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Do you know someone who does this? Have you ever heard any of your friends or relatives same something like, "Giants fans are doucebags," or, "Raiders fans are felons"?
    Do I know people who talk ****? Yeah. So what?




    Your opinion is noted.
    Just for ****s and giggles, what was your MOS?
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    So long as they pass all of the requirements that men would have as far pysical condition ect. then I agree with you. If women get a watered down tailered bull**** version, then quite frankly all they are gona end up doing is getting themselves killed. Theres a reason there are standards in PT and the like. Weeding out people that cant hack it being one.
    Frankly, I think PT requirements should be by MOS rather than gender. Seriously, why should a paralegal have to be held to the same physical standard as an infantryman, regardless of gender?

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Do I know people who talk ****? Yeah. So what?
    Then you know people who engage in group identity. Do you believe them when they say that all Giants fans are douchebags? Or, do you at least believe that they believe it?

    Just for ****s and giggles, what was your MOS?
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    And yourself?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Frankly, I think PT requirements should be by MOS rather than gender. Seriously, why should a paralegal have to be held to the same physical standard as an infantryman, regardless of gender?
    Because that paralegal isn't just a paralegal. That may be their primary function, but in the worst case scenario of a base being overrun, that paralegal is fighter. And you have to be in shape to deploy. Imagine being in 130 degree heat, and then having to don MOPP gear. If you're out of shape, you're toast pretty quickly. You've now become a liability as opposed to an asset.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Then you know people who engage in group identity. Do you believe them when they say that all Giants fans are douchebags? Or, do you at least believe that they believe it?
    Considering that they also work closely with those people, and do people things with those people, no. I don't believe they really think all of the people who support their opposing teams are douchebags. They just say it because making people mad is funny.



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    And yourself?
    So you were Signal Intelligence. I was 62B/91L, heavy construction equipment mechanic, assigned to the 501st in Korea, and the 2nd Engineers in WSMR.
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