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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    I'll have to fetch some interesting reports, but some evidence has been gathered to indicate that unisexual combat formations (depending on type of service) tend to perform better than co-sexual ones. Most data in this area has been drawn from Israel and their experiments with female combat integration, but it was also gathered by studying organized guerrilla groups like the PKK which have by trial and error come to similar conclusions.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ACLU sues over policy barring women from combat - chicagotribune.com


    The American Civil Liberties Union and four servicewomen sued the U.S. Defense Department on Tuesday to end a ban on women in combat, calling the military the last bastion of discrimination by the federal government and saying modern warfare has already put women in the line of fire.

    modern warfare doesn't have the clear boundaries that may have once existed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out
    Hrm... I don't know, I've played Modern Warfare and I didn't see any females at all in it.


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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Historically men go to war to protect their women and children from wars barbarism. Women do not belong in a combat situation period. Having said that though those little gook women were bad ass cold blooded killers so I could be wrong. And gook is not a racial slur, it was the term of the day like kraut or Jap, war words are not infraction worthy, I don't think.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ACLU sues over policy barring women from combat - chicagotribune.com


    The American Civil Liberties Union and four servicewomen sued the U.S. Defense Department on Tuesday to end a ban on women in combat, calling the military the last bastion of discrimination by the federal government and saying modern warfare has already put women in the line of fire.

    modern warfare doesn't have the clear boundaries that may have once existed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out
    Great, just what the Military needs. More civilians with no military experience telling us what we need. Same reason we now get issued thousands of dollars of equipment that stays in its original packaging, stuffed in a ruck in the back of a closet.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
    An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling - "The Young British Soldier"

    There's no reason why women can't serve in front-line combat-- they're fully capable. There are, however, many reasons why they should not, and should not be allowed to... first and foremost the effect on morale that women being wounded or dying has. Male soldiers will take stupid and excessive risks to protect female comrades and no amount of training can suppress this instinct, nor should it be suppressed. Demographically and biologically, women are simply too valuable to be wasted in combat-- while bleeding off a few men here and there is actually good for society.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    War has boundaries? Ever?
    For civilized peoples it does. International law, ROE, the Geneva Convention, the Hague Convention, and a plethora of treaties which limit what we can and cannot do.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    But women deserve the right to get blown apart, too!

    Why on Earth would ANYBODY fight for the "right" to place themselves in harm's way, just to say they can?!? There is only one advantage to a front-line combat assignment: medals, without which senior officers cannot make General. And since there are affirmative action type programs in place for female officer selection, I don't see what the problem is. They can already take full advantage of all the military has to offer, without the worst part of the work.

    Also, as a side-note: "war words" are an active device used to dehumanize the enemy, for it is far easier to kill a "towel head" as opposed to a "human being of Arabic descent."
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    But women deserve the right to get blown apart, too!

    Why on Earth would ANYBODY fight for the "right" to place themselves in harm's way, just to say they can?!? There is only one advantage to a front-line combat assignment: medals, without which senior officers cannot make General. And since there are affirmative action type programs in place for female officer selection, I don't see what the problem is. They can already take full advantage of all the military has to offer, without the worst part of the work.

    Also, as a side-note: "war words" are an active device used to dehumanize the enemy, for it is far easier to kill a "towel head" as opposed to a "human being of Arabic descent."
    Hate to break it to you, but Service Members don't go to combat for little pieces of ribbon and brass. And we don't call the enemy by denigrating terms to "dehumanize" them. We know damn well that they're people, regardless of how we describe them. Words don't mean a damn thing when you're getting shot at.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Women in combat should be treated the same as men in combat in the same situations. I don't want to hear about men who will "protect women" more than they will "protect their own comrades in arms". Soldiers are soldiers. Women in the military have the same responsibilities as their male counterparts. If they can fight for their country, and die for their country, they deserve equality. The USA is at war. Women who serve are at war. I cry to see our veterans return with their limbs and their minds destroyed because of what they have suffered... but I cannot and will not dismiss the sacrifice of women who have served with honor, simply because they lacked a penis in the field of battle.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Historically men go to war to protect their women and children from wars barbarism. Women do not belong in a combat situation period. Having said that though those little gook women were bad ass cold blooded killers so I could be wrong. And gook is not a racial slur, it was the term of the day like kraut or Jap, war words are not infraction worthy, I don't think.
    Lol, the fact that you had to go on this little diatribe to white wash your use of derogatory terms is all we need to know. What next? Nigger isn't a racial/ethnic slur? It's just the term of the day for black people? Just because something is the 'term' of the day to the historically illiterate, it does not mean it's not a racial/ethnic slur. The two are more than mutually exclusive.
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