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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Repeated for effect - kidding. You guys really amp us all up like we're walking bacteria factories or something . . . is that your experience with women: never ending flowing blood rivulettes of the most vile manor? Geesh - sounds rough and freakish but oddly nothing I've ever dealt.

    You know - when men were coming down with stds left and right - they gave them condoms.

    It should, though - levelize it all . . . problem solved. I think it's hardly fair to let women in con differentia and keep others out sans differentia. It's unjust to both groups, honestly.
    An, when male soldiers contract an std, they can face disciplanary action.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh - so we're failures, now? The US army is coed in most scenarios. . . .evidence it's successful when balanced properly.

    We're not talking about overall entry into the service, you know.
    Only support arms units are coed. The topic is women serving in combat arms units--infantry, artillery, armor and combat engineers.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Curious why the ACLU did not bring this pressing constitutional/sex discrimination issue up during the height of the Vietnam draft. Hmm...
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    It's not only a physical aspect of it, but also psycological.

    For example, say a squad with a woman in it were captured. Do you think it would be easier to break the other men using the female against them? I can only speak for myself, but if I were to hear a woman being tortured versus a man, it would definitely be different and I could be more prone to giving information to stop the woman from being tortured.

    That's but one example of many that I could see women not being allowed in combat arms units.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If women want to be in combat let them as long as they receive the same exact training as men, they have every right to be there too.
    Women and men are not physically equal. The only way to accomplish this is to reduce to training requirements for men so that everybody does girl push-ups, etc. And God help us if we put girls in combat and then need to have a draft. The only reason females are exempt from Selective Service registration and the draft is combat. Doesn't logic dictate this politically correct stuff has gone a little too far this time?
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Women and men are not physically equal. The only way to accomplish this is to reduce to training requirements for men so that everybody does girl push-ups, etc. And God help us if we put girls in combat and then need to have a draft. The only reason females are exempt from Selective Service registration and the draft is combat. Doesn't logic dictate this politically correct stuff has gone a little too far this time?

    Sorry, but that is not the only way. I knew several women that could perform the male standards of the physical fitness test. I do not want women serving in combat arms for other reasons, but some women CAN meet the male standards.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    What is the basis for considering a position as being in combat? When your are a front line position or when people start shooting at you? For the latter, not really sure what difference it makes if you are on the ground in a hole or on a ship or plane.

    I don't have any issues with this either way. There should be objective standards.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    What is the basis for considering a position as being in combat? When your are a front line position or when people start shooting at you? For the latter, not really sure what difference it makes if you are on the ground in a hole or on a ship or plane.

    I don't have any issues with this either way. There should be objective standards.
    In the Army there are MOS (jobs) that are specifically combat arms that females cannot be in. After that, they take a look at the mission and/or location. If a location/mission is deemed to be combat, sometimes they will restrict females from supporting or being there.

    There is no completely 100% failsafe to keep females out of combat entirely, but the military does its best to limit the exposure of women in direct combat.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Women in combat should be treated the same as men in combat in the same situations. I don't want to hear about men who will "protect women" more than they will "protect their own comrades in arms". Soldiers are soldiers. Women in the military have the same responsibilities as their male counterparts. If they can fight for their country, and die for their country, they deserve equality. The USA is at war. Women who serve are at war. I cry to see our veterans return with their limbs and their minds destroyed because of what they have suffered... but I cannot and will not dismiss the sacrifice of women who have served with honor, simply because they lacked a penis in the field of battle.
    It's not just a penis they lack though.

    Women on average are significantly smaller, slower, weaker, and less agile then men. There are many tasks they can do just as well as men but there are actual physical limitations that prevent them from being as effective as men when it comes to combat.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    It's not just a penis they lack though.

    Women on average are significantly smaller, slower, weaker, and less agile then men.
    On average yes, so on the surface you can make the females have to do the same as the males.

    The underlying problem is what I posted earlier and that is psycological problems that can happen with females in combat arms units such as situations being captured.

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