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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    My squabble with him was more about his overall view of women in general...

    I'll state it one last time and be done with it:

    "level the physical fitness standards - no more differentia between the sexes." (this is what I oppose)
    "Those who qualify - are in - regardless of sex"

    No more unbalanced standards.
    As it stands I feel that having unequal standards puts individuals in danger and weakens the overall capability of the force. . . you do seem to agree on that. . . so, those who are in are UNQUESTIONABLY ABLE. And then they would qualify without the differentia and they're in. Yes?

    Yes.

    Very good then . . . What's so hard about that? That's my view - that's where I stand.

    The single most annoying thing to me is this: "I want to be in - but I can't perform like everyone else is expected to - so I want you to lower the standards for me. . . " which is bs.

    In some areas it just doesn't matter, tech, provisional, oversight and supply, etc - but in other areas it's a huge issue.
    Gender norming will never go away and even if it did menstrual cycles and the accompanying hygene issues will not.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    My squabble with him was more about his overall view of women in general...

    I'll state it one last time and be done with it:

    "level the physical fitness standards - no more differentia between the sexes." (this is what I oppose)
    "Those who qualify - are in - regardless of sex"

    No more unbalanced standards.
    As it stands I feel that having unequal standards puts individuals in danger and weakens the overall capability of the force. . . you do seem to agree on that. . . so, those who are in are UNQUESTIONABLY ABLE. And then they would qualify without the differentia and they're in. Yes?

    Yes.

    Very good then . . . What's so hard about that? That's my view - that's where I stand.

    The single most annoying thing to me is this: "I want to be in - but I can't perform like everyone else is expected to - so I want you to lower the standards for me. . . " which is bs.

    In some areas it just doesn't matter, tech, provisional, oversight and supply, etc - but in other areas it's a huge issue.
    Gender norming will never go away and even if it did menstrual cycles and the accompanying hygene issues will not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gender norming will never go away and even if it did menstrual cycles and the accompanying hygene issues will not.
    Repeated for effect - kidding. You guys really amp us all up like we're walking bacteria factories or something . . . is that your experience with women: never ending flowing blood rivulettes of the most vile manor? Geesh - sounds rough and freakish but oddly nothing I've ever dealt.

    You know - when men were coming down with stds left and right - they gave them condoms.

    It should, though - levelize it all . . . problem solved. I think it's hardly fair to let women in con differentia and keep others out sans differentia. It's unjust to both groups, honestly.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    History is full of examples where coed combat arms units have failed on the battlefield.

    Exactly. Two example of that are the Soviets in WWII and today's Israeli Army.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Exactly. Two example of that are the Soviets in WWII and today's Israeli Army.
    Oh - so we're failures, now? The US army is coed in most scenarios. . . .evidence it's successful when balanced properly.

    We're not talking about overall entry into the service, you know.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh - so we're failures, now? The US army is coed in most scenarios. . . .evidence it's successful when balanced properly.

    We're not talking about overall entry into the service, you know.

    Women in the Russian and Soviet military - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Women in the Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Yes, I'm very well aware of militant history worldwide. Are you aware that both still allow women - in various balances? Or are you not reading your own links, there, and assuming that at some point along the way they booted them all out?

    Just like us at present - they have decided on their own balance . . . we have decided ours. They can change theirs and we can change ours. . . if that's what each country wants to do.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Repeated for effect - kidding. You guys really amp us all up like we're walking bacteria factories or something . . . is that your experience with women: never ending flowing blood rivulettes of the most vile manor? Geesh - sounds rough and freakish but oddly nothing I've ever dealt.

    You know - when men were coming down with stds left and right - they gave them condoms.

    It should, though - levelize it all . . . problem solved. I think it's hardly fair to let women in con differentia and keep others out sans differentia. It's unjust to both groups, honestly.
    I'm not a biologist, but the current Army policy is that women can not be in the field or downrange for more than 3 days without access to a shower for feminine hygiene reasons. Now, assuming that that is a real concern, that is an absolutely unacceptable condition for combat. When I was an infantryman in Afghanistan I spent weeks living out on top of a mountain or in a humvee with nothing but water bottle baths. It was absolutely brutal. If women biologically can't handle living in the mud for months, then they simply can't perform the job. Nothing against them, but that's the way it is.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm not a biologist, but the current Army policy is that women can not be in the field or downrange for more than 3 days without access to a shower for feminine hygiene reasons. Now, assuming that that is a real concern, that is an absolutely unacceptable condition for combat. When I was an infantryman in Afghanistan I spent weeks living out on top of a mountain or in a humvee with nothing but water bottle baths. It was absolutely brutal. If women biologically can't handle living in the mud for months, then they simply can't perform the job. Nothing against them, but that's the way it is.
    Oh - to be a normal woman and all that bull****. I guess I'm not missing out on much, am I? Because sometimes I honestly think I am. LOL!
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh - to be a normal woman and all that bull****. I guess I'm not missing out on much, am I? Because sometimes I honestly think I am. LOL!
    No, you didn't miss out on anything at all. Not a picnic.
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