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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    This whole discussion is silly. For more than a single reason. I'm not a sexist, I have believed in equal pay and equal rights all my life. I served 20 years in the USMC. Women were some of the best Marines that I ever lead. They (for the most part) were some of the best performers in their specific occupations, however, once we left garrison and entered the field things changed.

    Female Marines are not suited for the rigors of combat. Yes, this is a generalization, but the vast majority of them cannot deal with the task just in training environments and training while intented to simulate actual combat never does. People don't actually get shot in training, they don't actually get blown up in training and the mental strain is never the same.

    As much as some people like to disclaim, there are physical and emotional differences between the sexes. There are things that women can do and certain strains they can handle that men are not suited to do, the opposite is true also. Serving in direct combat skills is one of those things that women are not suited to do.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If women want to be in combat let them as long as they receive the same exact training as men, they have every right to be there too.
    I'm all for women serving in combat arms units, as long as those units are all female units. Coed units won't work.

    As far as receiving the same training, you will never see an end to gender norming and you can thank the feminazis for that.

    A right? No, they don't have a right to serve in the military as they choose. The military has standards--as well it should--and anyone that can't meet those standards isn't allowed to serve.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
    This whole discussion is silly. For more than a single reason. I'm not a sexist, I have believed in equal pay and equal rights all my life. I served 20 years in the USMC. Women were some of the best Marines that I ever lead. They (for the most part) were some of the best performers in their specific occupations, however, once we left garrison and entered the field things changed.

    Female Marines are not suited for the rigors of combat. Yes, this is a generalization, but the vast majority of them cannot deal with the task just in training environments and training while intented to simulate actual combat never does. People don't actually get shot in training, they don't actually get blown up in training and the mental strain is never the same.

    As much as some people like to disclaim, there are physical and emotional differences between the sexes. There are things that women can do and certain strains they can handle that men are not suited to do, the opposite is true also. Serving in direct combat skills is one of those things that women are not suited to do.
    I would like to expand on this sentence by adding that the female menstrual cycle makes them unsuited for combat condtions. A combat arms unit can't afford to loose a significant percentage of it's strength because of a bunch of sick cooters.

    An all male mechanized infantry unit has 130 +/- officers and men. A an all female units would have to have half-again-more soldiers, because a significant portion of the unit would be on sick call, or on medical profile.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Okay, how do you not see the irony in this statement?
    No. Sexism would mean I hold an unfounded bias towards women, which isn't the case. It is a proven fact that most women are not as physically capable as most men. Again, I'm not doubting the mental ability of women to handle a combat MOS. I think they would do just fine in that aspect. Unfortunately for them, the military requires the physical ability to project that skill onto the battlefield, which most women lack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    No, I never proposed anyone be double screened. Actually I think the military should screen everyone equally and leave gender out of it. I suppose statistically you will end up with more males, but I'm sure you'd end up with some females too. Banning women altogether is an overreaction.
    Unfortunately, you and I both know that this will never happen. It's just the way it is in our country. We'll see how it plays out.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What I meant by natrual was their bodies provided a better natural base. Better balance on the whole.
    Not to sound crude or anything (honestly I'm not trying to), this depends on the females chest size and hips. If a woman has a A cup breast and skinny hips, this is a null and void point.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    No. Sexism would mean I hold an unfounded bias towards women, which isn't the case. It is a proven fact that most women are not as physically capable as most men. Again, I'm not doubting the mental ability of women to handle a combat MOS. I think they would do just fine in that aspect. Unfortunately for them, the military requires the physical ability to project that skill onto the battlefield, which most women lack.
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    Unfortunately, you and I both know that this will never happen. It's just the way it is in our country. We'll see how it plays out.
    Why? Why won't it ever happen? We can at least try.


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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    In all of those cases, it wouldn't take long for those people to get fired.


    All I'm saying is, I think a drill sergeant is a better judge on who can do what than a bureaucrat.
    Kinda like the sex addicted Air Force trainesr that were abusing women for an extended period of time?
    Air Force investigates growing sex-abuse scandal - The Washington Post
    Also, in our PC military now, NO ONE would come up to Sgt Big Black Guy/Sgt Neo Nazi and say, "Hey, how come all of your "best" recruits look like you? Are you a racist?" Soon after, the individual that questioned him would be under investigation for an Equal Opportunity violation.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    for those of you who have never been in the military, you do not have your normal natural rights under the constitution while you serve.

    when you sign the paper to join our military, you give up your rights, and you accept, the uniform code of military justice... UCMJ, for your rights.

    there is no free speech, secure in your person, as well as the others, you do as your told, when told to jump, you ask " how high"

    so you dont have rights to fight in combat.
    Of course. But the broad rules under which our military operates are written by our elected officials and we are talking about whether or not this particular one should be changed.

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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Why? Why won't it ever happen? We can at least try.
    I agree with you bro. But it won't happen. As soon as the special interest groups see the amount of women that would be discharged/rejected outright for service they would say it isn't fair.
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    Re: Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I agree with you bro. But it won't happen. As soon as the special interest groups see the amount of women that would be discharged/rejected outright for service they would say it isn't fair.
    Yeah I guess that would be sort of unfair to them considering they are already in. I don't know, maybe I'm just being idealistic, but I feel even trying to get to that sort of equality is worth it in the long run. We gotta start somewhere.


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