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    Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

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    In case you have not heard of this crazy, over thanksgiving a lesbian woman was beaten severely by the 18 year old brother of her lover during thanksgiving. Buit wait, this story gets even more insane. It occurs the brother had attacked her before with a pipe. On top of that their father is in jail for shooting the boy during some domestic dispute when he was 17. The boy has also threatened to finish the job he started after being released on bail. Yes, jail is a lovely place for this boy, and hopefully the FBI will follow up on the obvious hate crime that the state of Alabama is reluctant to file against him.

    However, i have to ask the question of what the hell was going through the victim and her girlfriend's head? Obviously this family has some rather deep issues with abuse and other crap. First, why the hell did the victim even bother going when she knows the kid is pretty homicidal towards her? He hit her with a pipe before and beat her up. She says she thought the family was going to be nice to her, but she really put herself in the middle of a dangerous and hostile environment. It is for no reason at all because she seems to have a family of her own that cares for her. You know the family has an overly psychotic reputation of domestic abuse and violent acts, just stay away. Then what the hell is her girlfriend thinking? You don't drag someone you care about into psycho household with your homophobic brother who already tried to kill her.

    Does this strike anyone else as completely stupid all around?

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

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    In case you have not heard of this crazy, over thanksgiving a lesbian woman was beaten severely by the 18 year old brother of her lover during thanksgiving. Buit wait, this story gets even more insane. It occurs the brother had attacked her before with a pipe. On top of that their father is in jail for shooting the boy during some domestic dispute when he was 17. The boy has also threatened to finish the job he started after being released on bail. Yes, jail is a lovely place for this boy, and hopefully the FBI will follow up on the obvious hate crime that the state of Alabama is reluctant to file against him.

    However, i have to ask the question of what the hell was going through the victim and her girlfriend's head? Obviously this family has some rather deep issues with abuse and other crap. First, why the hell did the victim even bother going when she knows the kid is pretty homicidal towards her? He hit her with a pipe before and beat her up. She says she thought the family was going to be nice to her, but she really put herself in the middle of a dangerous and hostile environment. It is for no reason at all because she seems to have a family of her own that cares for her. You know the family has an overly psychotic reputation of domestic abuse and violent acts, just stay away. Then what the hell is her girlfriend thinking? You don't drag someone you care about into psycho household with your homophobic brother who already tried to kill her.

    Does this strike anyone else as completely stupid all around?
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    How do we know this is a hate crime? All we appear to have is her word for it and to be frank that isn't all that valuable to if it was or if was not a hate crime.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Holy ****ing ****. That's disturbing, what he actually did to her. Unbelievable.

    It happened during thanksgiving dinner - how in the **** did an entire family not manage to get his psycho ass off of her?

    I don't see why his punishment should be more severe - being a ****ed up freak is being a ****ed up freak no matter what the reason for it.
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    This must be one of those families joko104 blamed Obama for destroying.
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

    Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them.


    I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

    Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them.


    I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.
    First a disclaimer: I do not have a strong opinion about hate crimes one way or another, but I do think that if they're going to be debated, it'd be a good idea for people to understand what they actually are and why they exists. Several things:

    1) The severity of one's criminal punishment can vary greatly depending on the thought (i.e. intent) behind the crime. This is one of the reasons that things like the heat of passion defense exist in murder cases.

    2) The idea behind punishing a hate crime more severely than a similar crime absent some racial/gender/orientation based hatred is that certain crimes are thought to have a negative and lasting impact not just on the actual victim, but on the class of people to which he belongs. From that perspective thje punishment is more severe because the impact is more severe, not, strictly speaking, because of the defendant's thoughts.

    3) Hate crime laws absolutely do not provide extra protections for certain classes of people. It is fully possible for, say, a black guy to get punished under hate crimes legislation for beating the **** out of a white guy for being white; or to punish some kind of roving band of militant lesbian feminists for kicking the crap out of every straight male they see (hypothetically speaking). As a practical matter, these laws will obviously be applied more often to minority groups, but it's innacurate to suggest that they (the minority groups) are getting extra legal protections. That is no more true than the notion that the 14th amendment's equal protection clause provides extra protections for minorities.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    3) Hate crime laws absolutely do not provide extra protections for certain classes of people. It is fully possible for, say, a black guy to get punished under hate crimes legislation for beating the **** out of a white guy for being white; or to punish some kind of roving band of militant lesbian feminists for kicking the crap out of every straight male they see (hypothetically speaking). As a practical matter, these laws will obviously be applied more often to minority groups, but it's innacurate to suggest that they (the minority groups) are getting extra legal protections. That is no more true than the notion that the 14th amendment's equal protection clause provides extra protections for minorities.

    Hypothetically... but if anyone has ever been punished on that basis (minority attacking majority), I'd be interested in hearing about it... cuz I'm pretty sure it is rare-to-never in reality.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

    Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them.


    I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

    Have to disagree with you on this. Ever since the radical religious right wingers starting murdering abortion doctors, I have felt that the crimes need to be classified so the punishment is greater. When you target groups of people who are being attacked for their beliefs, skin, religion, ethnicity, etc., then you should serve a longer sentence than someone involved in a passion situation that results in murder.
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hypothetically... but if anyone has ever been punished on that basis (minority attacking majority), I'd be interested in hearing about it... cuz I'm pretty sure it is rare-to-never in reality.
    That might be true at the moment, but that's why I brought up the Equal Protection Clause; because I'll bet you anything the same thing was true for EP for quite a long time. 50 years from now, when whites are no longer a majority in the US, I imagine you'll see a different trend.

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