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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How do we know this is a hate crime? All we appear to have is her word for it and to be frank that isn't all that valuable to if it was or if was not a hate crime.
    I'd like to introduce you to a concept known as a trial by jury, where evidence would be presented and weighed and a jury might come to a conclusion. This is what people are talking about. None of us are suggesting that this news article is comprehensive proof of anything.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'd like to introduce you to a concept known as a trial by jury, where evidence would be presented and weighed and a jury might come to a conclusion. This is what people are talking about. None of us are suggesting that this news article is comprehensive proof of anything.
    I always find it to be a shear delight watching people prove hate crimes. Fact of the matter is there is no reason to worry if it was or if wasn't. Just handle the harms in front of you and be done with it.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Isn't the "thought" a critical aspect of law? Isn't that why we have 3 degrees of murder? Isn't that why the cops must prove you KNEW that what you had was a drug and not catnip?


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

    Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them.


    I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime | wcsh6.com

    In case you have not heard of this crazy, over thanksgiving a lesbian woman was beaten severely by the 18 year old brother of her lover during thanksgiving. Buit wait, this story gets even more insane. It occurs the brother had attacked her before with a pipe. On top of that their father is in jail for shooting the boy during some domestic dispute when he was 17. The boy has also threatened to finish the job he started after being released on bail. Yes, jail is a lovely place for this boy, and hopefully the FBI will follow up on the obvious hate crime that the state of Alabama is reluctant to file against him.

    However, i have to ask the question of what the hell was going through the victim and her girlfriend's head? Obviously this family has some rather deep issues with abuse and other crap. First, why the hell did the victim even bother going when she knows the kid is pretty homicidal towards her? He hit her with a pipe before and beat her up. She says she thought the family was going to be nice to her, but she really put herself in the middle of a dangerous and hostile environment. It is for no reason at all because she seems to have a family of her own that cares for her. You know the family has an overly psychotic reputation of domestic abuse and violent acts, just stay away. Then what the hell is her girlfriend thinking? You don't drag someone you care about into psycho household with your homophobic brother who already tried to kill her.

    Does this strike anyone else as completely stupid all around?

    I guess Jerry Springer's guests are real.
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hypothetically... but if anyone has ever been punished on that basis (minority attacking majority), I'd be interested in hearing about it... cuz I'm pretty sure it is rare-to-never in reality.
    FBI — FBI Releases 2010 Hate Crime Statistics

    Of the 6,008 known offenders, 58.6 percent were white and 18.4 percent were black. For 12.0 percent, the race was unknown, and the remaining known offenders were of other races.
    Blacks make up 13% of the population. Whites of non-hispanic origin, 63%.

    Hate crime prosecution/statistics are pretty much on par with with demographics.
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    FBI — FBI Releases 2010 Hate Crime Statistics



    Blacks make up 13% of the population. Whites of non-hispanic origin, 63%.

    Hate crime prosecution/statistics are pretty much on par with with demographics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No man only white people are ever called racist. Its true because my gut says so.
    That... or 13% of the population commits most of the hate crime against all data showing to the contrary. I find it amazing that the lie of "minorities almost never get accused/prosecuted for hate crimes" keeps being spewed. It doesn't matter what the numbers and statistics actually.
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    FBI — FBI Releases 2010 Hate Crime Statistics



    Blacks make up 13% of the population. Whites of non-hispanic origin, 63%.

    Hate crime prosecution/statistics are pretty much on par with with demographics.

    Okay, I guess I learned something new today. Surprising but it is what it is.

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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

    Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them.


    I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.
    Just to get this out first: I oppose hate crime laws. However, I do believe in enforcing the law. If there is credible evidence that this was a hate crime, it should be prosecuted as such.
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    Re: Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

    Hate crime exist for the same reason murder 1, murder 2 and manslaughter exist. It serves to qualify the type of crime which occurred. It's the reason we have armed robbery vs unarmed robbery. All things are not the same under the eyes of the law.
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