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407-Pound Woman Denied Flights Home, Dies Abroad

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407-Pound Woman Denied Flights Home, Dies Abroad - Yahoo!

The death of a 407-pound woman after being denied boarding on three flights was "preventable," according to an attorney for the woman's husband, who plans to pursue legal action against three airlines.

Vilma Soltesz, 56, died of kidney failure on Oct. 24 in Hungary, where she and her husband, Janos Soltesz, took an annual vacation to a home they owned in their native country, said Soltesz' attorney, Holly Ostrov-Ronai.
Soltesz, who had health problems, had been trying to get back to the United States, where she could see her doctors, Ostrov-Ronai said.
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This is one of those WTF moments...
 
It sounds like the airlines were simply not equipped to handle the woman's needs. It's very, very sad that the woman died, but some of those issues seemed completely beyond the control of the airlines (with the exception of the last airline, that is). It isn't the fault of any of the airlines that the woman had such severe health issues, and if her health was that bad I have to question the judgment of she and her husband in electing to travel to an area where she apparently could not receive adequate care. Additionally, if she died within two days of being denied a flight, what evidence exists that she wouldn't have died had she made the return trip? It sounds as if her condition was severe enough that she was at significant risk of death regardless of her location.
 
"407-Pound Woman Denied Flights Home, Dies Abroad"?

What? They expected her to die a dude? :mrgreen:
 
should of taken up the offer from the Hungarian doctors, stupitdy at its best.
 
tessaesque said:
It sounds like the airlines were simply not equipped to handle the woman's needs. It's very, very sad that the woman died, but some of those issues seemed completely beyond the control of the airlines (with the exception of the last airline, that is). It isn't the fault of any of the airlines that the woman had such severe health issues, and if her health was that bad I have to question the judgment of she and her husband in electing to travel to an area where she apparently could not receive adequate care. Additionally, if she died within two days of being denied a flight, what evidence exists that she wouldn't have died had she made the return trip? It sounds as if her condition was severe enough that she was at significant risk of death regardless of her location.
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Yes - this. I agree.

I think it's tragic that they're trying to pin it all on the airline when so many other factors - beginning with her obesity and decision to travel - went into her condition in the end.

Why didn't she just seek out medical care in Hungary? If it was inadequate then they shouldn't have gone to begin with.
 
There is already a thread on this from the other day....
 
tessaesque said:
It sounds like the airlines were simply not equipped to handle the woman's needs. It's very, very sad that the woman died, but some of those issues seemed completely beyond the control of the airlines (with the exception of the last airline, that is). It isn't the fault of any of the airlines that the woman had such severe health issues, and if her health was that bad I have to question the judgment of she and her husband in electing to travel to an area where she apparently could not receive adequate care. Additionally, if she died within two days of being denied a flight, what evidence exists that she wouldn't have died had she made the return trip? It sounds as if her condition was severe enough that she was at significant risk of death regardless of her location.
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Eh, everyone sues. I see the airlines doing nothing wrong. With that severe of health issues, she should not have traveled to some region without adequate medical care, her problems are not the airline's problems, and she should have arranged flights in advance. People unable to get a last minute flight to where he/she wants to go isn't all that rare.

The airlines didn't kill her. They had no obligation to fly her.
 
"Janos is heartbroken," Ostrov-Ronai said. "The only thing that keeps him going day to day is that he wants justice for what was done to Vilma..."
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Justice was that Vilma died for what she did to herself.

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I do not have sympathy for people who harm themselves and then pretend like they're victims of someone else.

The airlines' "penalty" should be a settlement of $600 payable to a grief and loss therapist for Janos. 4-6 sessions. BFD.
 
Maybe she was just confused and she thought going to hungary is the same thing as going hungry?

yeah, i know i am going to hell.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Justice was that Vilma died for what she did to herself.
I do not have sympathy for people who harm themselves and then pretend like they're victims of someone else.

The airlines' "penalty" should be a settlement of $600 payable to a grief and loss therapist for Janos. 4-6 sessions. BFD.
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What exactly did she do to herself? I would love to hear your insights as to how twinkies are the only possible reason someone wheelchair-bound with impaired kidneys could weigh 407 pounds.
 
I am guessing 407 pounds is a lot right?
 
Fisher said:
What exactly did she do to herself? I would love to hear your insights as to how twinkies are the only possible reason someone wheelchair-bound with impaired kidneys could weigh 407 pounds.
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I dunno man. A picture is worth a thousand words.

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Viktyr Gehrig said:
I'm a big sonofabitch. I'm large framed, I've got dense bones, I'm muscular and I'm fat. I weigh 260.
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Still dont mean anything to me hehe... in the real world we use KGs... how much is that in KGs?
 
407 pounds is 180+ kg. Holy ****. I weight less than half of that.

I have a rule. If you are over 120kg, or 280 pounds, you are encouraging death to come sooner. This does not include people who are very tall or are athletes. I am talking strictly about normal people who have other things to do except being at the gym all day, who have to work and are 1.80m or shorter.
 
PeteEU said:
Still dont mean anything to me hehe... in the real world we use KGs... how much is that in KGs?
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I posted it. check in the above comment.
 
Fisher said:
What exactly did she do to herself? I would love to hear your insights as to how twinkies are the only possible reason someone wheelchair-bound with impaired kidneys could weigh 407 pounds.
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Only possible reason? I mean you don't assume you have ebola everytime you get a cough do you?

It is very rare for someone to be overweight because of some out of control weight-gain disease.
Kidneys sound like Diabetes, which are indeed caused by those twinkies.
 
mpg said:
407-Pound Woman Denied Flights Home, Dies Abroad - Yahoo!
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This poses an interesting question, what constitutes a disability? And in what cases should we legally obligate a private company or organization to accommodate them.

I think it's fairly obvious that we believe that some, but not all disabilities should be accommodated in all circumstances. For example, we expect most large businesses and organizations accommodate blind individuals with braille, but we wouldn't expect NASCAR to allow blind drivers.

So where does being morbidly obese fall on the disability scale? Sure some people might have a propensity for gaining that much weight, but it's certainly a personal choice. No one force fed her. No one strapped her to a chair and prevented her from exercising.

That leaves the question, should an airline accommodate a person who made choices which prevented them from sitting in even a first class seat?
 
I seriously doubt she developed this condition while in Hungary on vacation so she made the decision to travel with her condition knowing the risks.

She could have had medical care where she was to get her through.

The airline can not be responsible for peoples personal decisions.
 
this could have all been avoided if Hungary only had Obamacare.....
 
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