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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that's true. What has to be mastered changes. Your examples seem to be where one wasn't ready for the higher level. But are you saying business never uses more advanced technology?
    I am suggesting that you must build a foundation of basic skills before you are competent to be employed in even the lowest-level job. If you do not have the fundamental skills to do the most basic job, how do you expect to do the more complex jobs? If you can't do the more complex jobs, how do you plan to become a member of the management team? If you can't be a member of the management team, how do you expect to run the company yourself?

    It's no use for the cash register to tell you that you need to give the customer $1.87 in change if you can't figure out the most efficient way to make the $0.87 worth of change.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am suggesting that you must build a foundation of basic skills before you are competent to be employed in even the lowest-level job. If you do not have the fundamental skills to do the most basic job, how do you expect to do the more complex jobs? If you can't do the more complex jobs, how do you plan to become a member of the management team? If you can't be a member of the management team, how do you expect to run the company yourself?

    It's no use for the cash register to tell you that you need to give the customer $1.87 in change if you can't figure out the most efficient way to make the $0.87 worth of change.
    Yes, you must build it. hence, a sequencing problem. If they get more before that is built, the sequence was poorly put together.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, you must build it. hence, a sequencing problem. If they get more before that is built, the sequence was poorly put together.
    The problem is that these students are being pushed to the next portion of the sequence whether they have mastered the basic skill(s) or not. Once a basic skill is missed, it becomes very difficult to catch up, or to catch on to anything else.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The problem is that these students are being pushed to the next portion of the sequence whether they have mastered the basic skill(s) or not. Once a basic skill is missed, it becomes very difficult to catch up, or to catch on to anything else.
    Yes it is, so sequence it properly and don't move on until mastered. While unAmerican, that is the way to go.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Personally, I think it's the other way around.... the students who are intersted in art and music are generally the ones who have already mastered the basic skills of english, math, etc....



    I don't know of any group that disagrees with math. What most of us disagree with in the science curriculums is the teaching of Scientific Theory as if it were Scientific Law. That is the idea that there is no room for any alternative theory on the topic. Basically we don't want you attempting to indoctrinate our children into a belief that cannot be PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT any more than OUR theory can be.
    It's taught as scientific theory. It is not taught as scientific truth. It is up to churches to teach creationism as long as we have separation of church and state. Which "story" shall we teach? Christian? Judaism? Muslim? Which "story"??

    Now. I do happen to believe that every high school should have a class on Comparative Religions, but that's another topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's taught as scientific theory. It is not taught as scientific truth. It is up to churches to teach creationism as long as we have separation of church and state. Which "story" shall we teach? Christian? Judaism? Muslim? Which "story"??

    Now. I do happen to believe that every high school should have a class on Comparative Religions, but that's another topic.
    A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.

    What is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | LiveScience

    Better than a guess, and mostly supported.

    But, I do agree with the comparative religion class.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes it is, so sequence it properly and don't move on until mastered. While unAmerican, that is the way to go.
    That would be fine, except that the parents would never go for it. Can't have little Freddie in the same class as some kid who's three years older than him because the other kid can't or won't get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's taught as scientific theory. It is not taught as scientific truth. It is up to churches to teach creationism as long as we have separation of church and state. Which "story" shall we teach? Christian? Judaism? Muslim? Which "story"??
    Don't teach any of the religious stories in school. Just don't teach the current scientific "Big Bang" Theory as anything more than THEORY. Make it sufficiently clear that we do not and probably never will know exactly how the Universe was created. Maybe even suggest that there are other theories of how the world came into being and leave it at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Now. I do happen to believe that every high school should have a class on Comparative Religions, but that's another topic.
    On that we will agree. I happened to take a very good one my Junior year in High School.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That would be fine, except that the parents would never go for it. Can't have little Freddie in the same class as some kid who's three years older than him because the other kid can't or won't get it.
    That's another issue, but one of the few places I agree (as I understand the comment). Age grouping may not be the best way to group students.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Just don't teach the current scientific "Big Bang" Theory as anything more than THEORY. Make it sufficiently clear that we do not and probably never will know exactly how the Universe was created. Maybe even suggest that there are other theories of how the world came into being and leave it at that.
    That is how it is taught, the standard model has undergone intese scrutiny and remains the most widely accepted theory of the origin of the universe we have. What would you prefer, that we teach the abusud non-sense of biblical creationism? After we teach them "God" did it, is class dismissed? Even if "God" did create it the evidence points to the BBT as the method of creation.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Our problem is that we seriously OVER-educate the vast majority of our students here in the United States; both in the type of education they get and in the amount of it they get.
    There's no such thing as over-educate. This is a word used by the uneducated.

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