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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    No, I don't. And it's not a belief, it's a science called developmental psychology.
    It's basic common sense, reason, and logic.

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    Math is actually taught in a different fashion in schools now. No more memorizing multiplication and division tables. They're now learning math theory as early as kindergarten. I guess we'll see if that helps. But the inability to do mental math doesn't indicate a major inability to do math. One can understand math theory without being able to look at numbers and add them together.
    I'm not talking about memorizing anything. These kids can't even do basic long-hand math on a piece of paper. Understanding the theory of something is worthless if you can't actually put it into practice.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    ...integrating themselves into a mono-cultural society, only then will our education system truly improve, not to mention many other areas that are failing in America today.
    Assuming that all other issues remain constant that is for culture alone without financially backed plan may not work. Canada makes it to the top 10 and it is multi-cultured as well.

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    Re: Education

    Maybe Americans are genetically stupider, and modeling the rest of the world won't solve that?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    How embarrassing for the United States.

    Can't wait to hear from all those people (read: conservatives) who think we shouldn't pay attention to the rest of the world and have nothing to learn from them or model ourselves after.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's basic common sense, reason, and logic..
    Common sense is another term for an opinion based on assumptions without evidence.
    Common sense once determined that the Earth was the center of the Universe, based on logic, reason and our observation.
    Common sense once determined that the Earth was flat
    Common sense once determined that black people were inferior to white people

    Common sense is often disproven with science.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Studies have shown that students that participate in music and art learn better. How many students who participate in the school plays or the orchestra do you know that ended up working at 7-11? The students who end up with those jobs usually only participate the minimum. Athletics builds team skills, which are important in almost every field of work. A well-rounded education is important, even if you don't think that music, art and athletics are important.
    Personally, I think it's the other way around.... the students who are intersted in art and music are generally the ones who have already mastered the basic skills of english, math, etc....

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Learning about math and science is not political indoctrination. It just so happens that one political party generally disagrees with math and science based on their religious beliefs.
    I don't know of any group that disagrees with math. What most of us disagree with in the science curriculums is the teaching of Scientific Theory as if it were Scientific Law. That is the idea that there is no room for any alternative theory on the topic. Basically we don't want you attempting to indoctrinate our children into a belief that cannot be PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT any more than OUR theory can be.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    How embarrassing for the United States.

    Can't wait to hear from all those people (read: conservatives) who think we shouldn't pay attention to the rest of the world and have nothing to learn from them or model ourselves after.
    How embarrassing for the top 16 countries whose's asses we kick, and can kick in a big way, all the time. So I guess education doesn't buy you everything much to the chagrin of the teachers unions. It must have a lot to do with the Constitution we have, and why conservatives strive to protect it from idiotic liberal manipulation.
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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yep, that's typical. Nothing in a successful model that disagrees with education in America today "works," according to teachers.
    I don't look at ti that way. Instead, I merely report that it isn't a new idea. That's just a fact. All ideas have a down side. And it made more sense back then when there were more labor intensive jobs, requiring little education. But I was just going over tech manuals today. You do realize they start at a 14th grade reading level? Not much they can really skip going on any track.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    we should adopt the tracking method
    much like germany's three tiered system
    where the student (and hopefully the student's family) identify the track which works best for the student
    does the older student plan to further his education at a university
    or does the student intend to enter the work force upon graduation without significant technical education
    or does he opt to receive a technical education combined with an apprenticeship program
    one size does not fit all
    and it should be the student, not the school, which makes this selection

    the OP makes his case against being too educated, which is like saying one can be too fit, too wealthy, too attractive or too personable. it's just not possible
    It's quite open to having someone wrongly tracked. Not to mention as I state above, there isn't really that much difference any more between the tracks. The real difference is one of either having an education or not.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's not a sequencing issue when the core information is never required to be proven that it has been mastered in the first place.
    Not sure that's true. What has to be mastered changes. Your examples seem to be where one wasn't ready for the higher level. But are you saying business never uses more advanced technology?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How embarrassing for the top 16 countries whose's asses we kick, and can kick in a big way, all the time. So I guess education doesn't buy you everything much to the chagrin of the teachers unions. It must have a lot to do with the Constitution we have, and why conservatives strive to protect it from idiotic liberal manipulation.
    Well, I must say, as much as I appreciate my education, it did not prepare me to comprehend your posts.

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