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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    What makes Finland so hot?

    Finland's stellar performance has drawn the attention of education and government officials around the world. These experts have uncovered many attributes of the Finnish educational system that are distinctive and contribute to the success of Finnish students. Some of these features are:

    • The Finnish school system uses the same curriculum for all students (which may be one reason why Finnish scores varied so little from school to school).
    • Students have light homework loads.
    • Finnish schools do not have classes for gifted students.
    • Finland uses very little standardized testing.
    • Children do not start school until age 7.
    • Finland has a comprehensive preschool program that emphasizes "self-reflection" and socializing, not academics.
    • Grades are not given until high school, and even then, class rankings are not compiled.
    • Teachers must have master's degrees.
    • Becoming a teacher in Finland is highly competitive. Just 10% of Finnish college graduates are accepted into the teacher training program; as a result, teaching is a high-status profession. (Teacher salaries are similar to teacher salaries in the U.S., however.)
    • Students are separated into academic and vocational tracks during the last three years of high school. About 50% go into each track.
    • Diagnostic testing of students is used early and frequently. If a student is in need of extra help, intensive intervention is provided.
    • Groups of teachers visit each others' classes to observe their colleagues at work. Teachers also get one afternoon per week for professional development.
    • School funding is higher for the middle school years, the years when children are most in danger of dropping out.
    • College is free in Finland.
    How do United States students compare to students in other countries?

    Now, if we analyze their welfare programs and figure out why they don't have slums, we might really learn something.

    And if we analyze their tax code, we can see where they get the money.
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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Indeed, but that is common knowledge. Why this annual ranking is news worth is my concern.
    Well I hope it sparks some international educational competition for one.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not true at all. Wealthy students tend to be properly educated. Many middle class students are properly educated. Most poor students are under-educated - it's that demographic that tends to bring the standing of the U.S. in education down.
    Does this rank of education per wealth also applies in higher education?

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Our problem is that we seriously OVER-educate the vast majority of our students here in the United States; both in the type of education they get and in the amount of it they get.
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    that is our nation's problem
    we over-educate our citizens
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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not true at all. Wealthy students tend to be properly educated. Many middle class students are properly educated. Most poor students are under-educated - it's that demographic that tends to bring the standing of the U.S. in education down.
    The wealthy in this nation are SIGNIFICANTLY over-educated. That's not much of an issue because they can pay for that additional education AND it is not keeping them from maintaining basic skills.

    The middle class are the most likely to be properly educated, though in many cases their educational costs are more than they should be.

    The poor students are generally the most over-educated, primarily because they are given these additional opportunities for education while many of them should be doing remedial work in basic skills.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Our problem is that we seriously OVER-educate the vast majority of our students here in the United States; both in the type of education they get and in the amount of it they get.
    I never heard someone complain because someone knew too much. I wish more had that problem.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I never heard someone complain because someone knew too much. I wish more had that problem.
    From Finland's model:

    Students are separated into academic and vocational tracks during the last three years of high school. About 50% go into each track.
    Trying to teach 50% of students that which is irrelevant to them rather than that which will help them succeed in life is part of our problem, in my opinion.
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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes. that is our nation's problem. we over-educate our citizens
    I'll give you a couple examples.....

    My father taught Industrial Arts on the middle and high school levels. He had constant battles with his department head because he preferred to teach the students in his woodshop class to use the hand tools rather than the multi-thousand dollar drill presses, table saws, etc... His reasoning.... "These kids are not likely to ever have access to a table saw or drill press after they leave this class. On the other hand a handsaw and drill are things they may have access to and the opportunity/need to use in their lives." Yet, he was forced to take valuable class time to teach these students how to use a machine they'll likely never see again.

    How many of the students who are trying to "comrehend" Romeo and Juliet can't even read the prose version of the story, nevermind the verse one because they were never required to actually be able to read the words, nevermind understand what they mean.

    I work in an Engineering related field. I haven't found a single incidence in my 18 year professional career where I would have ever used Trigonometry or Calculus, yet we force many high school students who will never even go into a technical field to take at least one of those classes. Often when the basic algebra and geometry they've just taken isn't even properly comprehended.

    We have students who can't perform basic elementary school tasks who are taking elective gym and art classes while still being unable to find the verb in a sentence or compute 62+47.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I never heard someone complain because someone knew too much. I wish more had that problem.
    It's not that they know so much, as that they know the wrong things. They can hack the school department's website but they can't find the subject in a simple sentence or compute basic figures.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Trying to teach 50% of students that which is irrelevant to them rather than that which will help them succeed in life is part of our problem, in my opinion.
    But then students should be the ones to communicate which is irrelevant to them and which is relevant (that is why there are options in specialization). Teachers (nor anyone) can not know which education would make which student successful in their future life without knowing the students first.

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