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    Forgive me if I place very little trust in a group of people who, as a whole, seem to be of the belief that they can determine the why's and wherefore's of every single thing in the world, when I know for certain (at least in my own mind) that there are things which science will never be able to explain. When one believes that they have all the answers, I tend to find that they have many fewer of the answers than they think they do. My own personal experiences have shown me there are things which the scientific community cannot explain. Likewise, I find organized religion to be just as much of a farce, for the same reason.
    Scientists generally don't believe they have all the answers. Otherwise there'd be no reason for them to work. Also, simply because your personal experiences show something that scientists have yet to explain (or you've yet to learn that science has explained) is not a good reason to discount the entire body of knowledge we've accumulated as human beings.

    If you are a religious individual, and you believe a god created us, why would he/she/it create us with a mind capable of scientific thought, and then expect you to not utilize that part of the brain? If there are answers for how thinks work in our universe, and we are capable of learning them, why would a diety expect us to ignore our inquisitive nature, and intellect which begs us to pursue those answers?

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Forgive me if I place very little trust in a group of people who, as a whole, seem to be of the belief that they can determine the why's and wherefore's of every single thing in the world, when I know for certain (at least in my own mind) that there are things which science will never be able to explain. When one believes that they have all the answers, I tend to find that they have many fewer of the answers than they think they do. My own personal experiences have shown me there are things which the scientific community cannot explain. Likewise, I find organized religion to be just as much of a farce, for the same reason.
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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Scientists generally don't believe they have all the answers. Otherwise there'd be no reason for them to work. Also, simply because your personal experiences show something that scientists have yet to explain (or you've yet to learn that science has explained) is not a good reason to discount the entire body of knowledge we've accumulated as human beings.
    Those members of the scientific community that I'm familiar with personally, including a younger brother of mine, do believe that everything CAN (and eventually WILL) be answered through science, if it hasn't already.

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    If you are a religious individual, and you believe a god created us, why would he/she/it create us with a mind capable of scientific thought, and then expect you to not utilize that part of the brain? If there are answers for how thinks work in our universe, and we are capable of learning them, why would a diety expect us to ignore our inquisitive nature, and intellect which begs us to pursue those answers?
    It is my belief that there is a Higher Power out there. I believe that we are here on this world and in this life as a test. A test of the Soul. One which will determine whether or not that Soul is prepared to move on to bigger and better things, be reeducated and try again, or be permanently found defective and tossed away into the scrap heap. Science is simply one of the many red herrings placed in our way to offer us an opportunity to step off the path of Right and trip us up, thus condemning our Soul to at least one more trip through life, or an eternal existance on the scrap heap.

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    Scientists and most of the organized religious community.

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    Re: Education

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    Unfortunately, I'm more educated that I'd really like to be,
    Ohhh, i forgot who I was talking to.

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    [QUOTE=Tigger;1061188723]Those members of the scientific community that I'm familiar with personally, including a younger brother of mine, do believe that everything CAN (and eventually WILL) be answered through science, if it hasn't already.

    Sounds like he doesn't think he knows everything, rather he thinks that science is capable of eventually explaining everything. Personally, I think the human race will die out before we are able to explain everything, but I agree with his sentiments. The human mind is capable of great understanding.

    It is my belief that there is a Higher Power out there. I believe that we are here on this world and in this life as a test. A test of the Soul. One which will determine whether or not that Soul is prepared to move on to bigger and better things, be reeducated and try again, or be permanently found defective and tossed away into the scrap heap. Science is simply one of the many red herrings placed in our way to offer us an opportunity to step off the path of Right and trip us up, thus condemning our Soul to at least one more trip through life, or an eternal existance on the scrap heap.
    That's amazing considering that you benefit greatly from the science you loathe. In fact, you're making great use of science right now in telling me how false science is.



    Scientists and most of the organized religious community.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Sounds like he doesn't think he knows everything, rather he thinks that science is capable of eventually explaining everything. Personally, I think the human race will die out before we are able to explain everything, but I agree with his sentiments. The human mind is capable of great understanding.
    The human mind is also capable of great mis-understanding as well. That's the problem as I see it. I belive it is almost the height of Hubris to actually believe that one can know everything, whether through science or through religion. I truly believe that is, and should always be, beyond the limits of human comprehension; because if we can and do know everything, then we will think that we have become Gods ourselves and that ultimate state of Hubris will be the undoing of mankind.

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    That's amazing considering that you benefit greatly from the science you loathe. In fact, you're making great use of science right now in telling me how false science is.
    I don't believe I've said science has no use. If I did, then I misspoke. I don't loathe science any more than I loathe organized religion. I just don't believe that either one of them is the means to the answers to the questions of why we're here or how we should go about our lives.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Science is simply one of the many red herrings placed in our way to offer us an opportunity to step off the path of Right and trip us up, thus condemning our Soul to at least one more trip through life, or an eternal existance on the scrap heap.
    But the courses that you promoted for students to be educated more on this thread that were included in your "CORE" (those non: music, gym, arts, etc., ones) are all based on scientific findings. Why would you like to offer students the opportunity for them to step off the path of right, causing them to trip off with your "CORE" course scientific offerings, thus condemn their soul to at least one more trip through life (among alternative many others I imagine), or on to an eternal existence on the scrap of heap?

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    Re: Education

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    But the courses that you promoted for students to be educated more on this thread that were included in your "CORE" (those non: music, gym, arts, etc., ones) are all based on scientific findings. Why would you like to offer students the opportunity for them to step off the path of right, causing them to trip off with your "CORE" course scientific offerings, thus condemn their soul to at least one more trip through life (among alternative many others I imagine), or on to an eternal existence on the scrap of heap?
    See my comment directly above yours (post 96). It's not that science doesn't have value. It's that science should not be your sole basis for everything in the world around you. I cannot even imagine a life where science has to be at the core of everything you believe. It's almost as dry and worthless an existance as one based solely on organized religion.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    See my comment directly above yours (post 96). It's not that science doesn't have value. It's that science should not be your sole basis for everything in the world around you. I cannot even imagine a life where science has to be at the core of everything you believe. It's almost as dry and worthless an existance as one based solely on organized religion.
    Finding the existential meaning of one's life, though very important, has less to do with this thread. But Existential Psychology emphasizes that that path is undertaken by search towards one's self. Things that are meaningful to themselves without any basis in reason necessarily. And Existential Psychology is of course a scientific foundation.

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    Re: Education

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    There are specific requirements within the sciences which differentiate hypothesis, from scientific theories, from scientific laws, correct? Each requiring successively more empirical evidence. That being said, even scientific laws are questioned and are never set in stone. But even with that caveat, I would you ever put the sciences on the same level of religion in terms of the strength of their evidence?
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