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U.N. to Seek Control of the Internet

Grant said:
You obviously only read the headline and the first couple of paragraphs. Read the entire article and you'll get a different take.
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I did and I didn't see anything unusual. :shrug:
 
Deuce said:
"Set up and agree to some international regulations with the UN" is not the same as "give control to the UN."
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Say again?
 
American said:
U.N. to Seek Control of the Internet | The Weekly Standard

European Parliament warns against UN internet control | Technology


The US should never relinquish control of the Internet. The Internet has flourished on US leadership, and it's not worth the chance of screwing it up. This is way too important to let the UN just willy-nilly take over.
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Considering what the UN wants to do under "Agenda 21" I wouldn't trust the UN as far as I could throw them....And speaking of throwing them, we should throw them out.
 
Muddy Creek said:
The Weekly Standard? That's as biased as the republican controlled media of FOX
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So are you saying that the Weekly Standard's claim is biased? Inaccurate? What does it have wrong?
 
tererun said:
So I see American has fallen for yet another round of BS fear mongering. It makes me wonder how many overpriced gold coins he has bought.
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I enjoy keeping you wondering, it's amusing. :lol:
 
American said:
U.N. to Seek Control of the Internet | The Weekly Standard

European Parliament warns against UN internet control | Technology


The US should never relinquish control of the Internet. The Internet has flourished on US leadership, and it's not worth the chance of screwing it up. This is way too important to let the UN just willy-nilly take over.
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The title of the Weekly Standard piece seems somewhat misleading. The article talks only about authoritarian governments controlling content available to their country. As the article states, most of the proposals ignore how the internet actually works. Much ado about surfing.
 
Yea uhh just in case anyone was wondering i believe this has been debunked by RLN

Sorry, American, but this idea is horse-hokey.

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So can we move on or are we still gonna sit through the "I hate the UN" rants?
 
American said:
Say again?
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Oh, right, I forgot that in the right-wing universe, voluntarily agreeing to rules with other countries is an ATTACK ON ARE SOVEREIGNTY. That regulation is the same thing as control. I have a book on my desk labeled "Federal Aviation Regulations," I didn't realize this means the government controls my business! Here I've been hiring people without getting approval from my local FAA office, am I going to go to jail? :(
 
Deuce said:
Oh, right, I forgot that in the right-wing universe, voluntarily agreeing to rules with other countries is an ATTACK ON ARE SOVEREIGNTY. That regulation is the same thing as control. I have a book on my desk labeled "Federal Aviation Regulations," I didn't realize this means the government controls my business! Here I've been hiring people without getting approval from my local FAA office, am I going to go to jail? :(
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Welcome from the slumber friend....Regulation is absolutely governmental control. I don't know what your business is, or what regulations they have on your specific practices, such as hiring/firing but more and more regulations are written every year that costs business billions in compliance. So, just hang around, they'll get to it if they feel they need to.
 
tererun said:
So I see American has fallen for yet another round of BS fear mongering. It makes me wonder how many overpriced gold coins he has bought.
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Yes, he has - bwaahaahaahaa!

Wolverines! Run for the hills! Take bottled water and firecrackers! Save yourselves!
 
j-mac said:
Welcome from the slumber friend....Regulation is absolutely governmental control. I don't know what your business is, or what regulations they have on your specific practices, such as hiring/firing but more and more regulations are written every year that costs business billions in compliance. So, just hang around, they'll get to it if they feel they need to.
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So, you seem to be saying that there are degrees of control, some of which are acceptable and some of which are not? And that perhaps one should discuss a particular regulation rather than just widely declaring that all regulation is bad?

What a novel concept.
 
PeteEU said:
The UN does not want to take control of the Internet... most countries want the US to loose control because of its abuse of the system time and time again. The obvious place to put such control is the UN, most likely in an organisation under the UN... like UNESCO and WHO and WTO.
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So, because you folks don't like what we have done under a primarily US-run system, you want us to relinquish control?

Why give it away when we don't need or want to?
 
Deuce said:
So, you seem to be saying that there are degrees of control, some of which are acceptable and some of which are not? And that perhaps one should discuss a particular regulation rather than just widely declaring that all regulation is bad?

What a novel concept.
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Well, sure....but in the macro, I think that an additional 80,000 pages of new regulation being churned out per year is excessive....When Obama came into office in '09 he promised that he was going to carefully examine regs and streamline those that were unnecessary, and try and make it easier to comply for business as a way to help the economy. Instead what we have gotten from him is end runs around congress through his regulatory bodies like HHS, and EPA to put in place what he could never pass as law. Do you think this is an honest way to govern?
 
j-mac said:
Well, sure....but in the macro, I think that an additional 80,000 pages of new regulation being churned out per year is excessive....When Obama came into office in '09 he promised that he was going to carefully examine regs and streamline those that were unnecessary, and try and make it easier to comply for business as a way to help the economy. Instead what we have gotten from him is end runs around congress through his regulatory bodies like HHS, and EPA to put in place what he could never pass as law. Do you think this is an honest way to govern?
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The topic of this thread is internet regulation. Do you have any comment on any specific regulation proposed for the internet?
 
Fiddytree said:
So, because you folks don't like what we have done under a primarily US-run system, you want us to relinquish control?

Why give it away when we don't need or want to?
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Because the US currently is able to shut down access to a German website being accessed by a German citizen located in Germany when said German citizen is breaking no German law.

This annoys other countries. Many of those countries are our allies and trading partners.

Additionally, the international nature of the internet means that businesses are currently forced to abide by hundreds of differing sets of regulations. Business would benefit from having a more unified regulatory environment.
 
Deuce said:
The topic of this thread is internet regulation. Do you have any comment on any specific regulation proposed for the internet?
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Silly me, I thought you were actually starting a conversation with me...Instead you weren't, just more games....Honestly, I don't know why I even try with some people.
 
j-mac said:
Silly me, I thought you were actually starting a conversation with me...Instead you weren't, just more games....Honestly, I don't know why I even try with some people.
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No, I was continuing a line of discussion from this thread. It's not "playing games" to ask what you think about the thread topic.

But I knew this was going to be your exact response. Because none of the right-wingers in this thread even know what sort of regulation is being discussed. They didn't bother to check, they just saw "U.N." and immediately starting tooth-gnashing.
 
Deuce said:
No, I was continuing a line of discussion from this thread. It's not "playing games" to ask what you think about the thread topic.

But I knew this was going to be your exact response. Because none of the right-wingers in this thread even know what sort of regulation is being discussed. They didn't bother to check, they just saw "U.N." and immediately starting tooth-gnashing.
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From the OP....

U.S. congressional resolutions and much of the commentary, including in this column, have focused on proposals by authoritarian governments to censor the Internet. Just as objectionable are proposals that ignore how the Internet works, threatening its smooth and open operations," reports the Wall Street Journal.
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So, while you think this is all ado about not much, have you read this part? and why would you ignore such a possibility? Clearly you like the internet, and use it....But is it just the ideological mind that is blinded equally where you claim we see UN=bad, you in turn see UN=all good.....So just what the hell are you arguing here?
 
j-mac said:
Well, sure....but in the macro, I think that an additional 80,000 pages of new regulation being churned out per year is excessive....When Obama came into office in '09 he promised that he was going to carefully examine regs and streamline those that were unnecessary, and try and make it easier to comply for business as a way to help the economy. Instead what we have gotten from him is end runs around congress through his regulatory bodies like HHS, and EPA to put in place what he could never pass as law. Do you think this is an honest way to govern?
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this is the faux news ignore reality and spout numbers that don't mean anything BS. The problem is that legal definitions require so much wording to cover all the possible attacks or loopholes that vague and simple wording tends to open up. this is why you see pages and pages of crap. Everything has to be defined so that when the lawyers and rich people decide to find an opening they cannot get through. So it has to be complicated because simple wording does not work for the greedy and people who want to get around laws. This is how things like fake POT is legal. Each time the government bans chemical A it is altered to chemical B which is legal. hence the list of controlled substances keeps on growing and growing. This system works for everything. Can i deduct my home as a business expense if i do business in my home? Then when that is eliminated can i write off the room i use for business, or the products I buy for the business. Every time someone does something new it becomes a matter of adding to the legislation because things are not written. Look at minority protection. It is legal in some cases to slur certain communities and fire people for their participation in them because the laws against discrimination do not specifically mention them.

You are whining about something that is way beyond the scope of this thread, and probably doesn't have a simple solution as long as people are creative. Simply if we are going to allow the government to do regulation on the internet we have to create a whole series of laws for the internet as it is brand new and was not in the original constitution. Yes, that is going to create large amounts of legislation where some of it will be unconstitutional and have to be reviewed and removed. That is part of the process. The legislature suffers no penalty for making unconstitutional laws they know are wrong, so why not pass them and see how much they can get away with before the courts react?

In the end I do not fear a UN or US crackdown on the internet. Simply it just won't work. It is something people in the IT security field have known for a long time. If there is a connection people will find a way. New technology will be created that will make old security a liability. The only real way to secure something is to disconnect it and even that is not secure from someone getting in and leaking your stuff from the source. Really, what is so scary about china trying to censor the internet? They cannot even get their own internet censored. They have totalitarian control of their country and their people still get around their security. the UN does not control the world, and without that control any attempt to censor the private entities that allow access to the internet from many different countries becomes damned near impossible for an organization that doesn't have anything in the way of enforcement and punishment. It simply cannot be done, and if it could it simply would be abandoned and a new internet set up because the technology is so cheap.

Take a look, it is not without it's real world proof. AOL was pretty popular, and extremely restrictive. They thought their customers wanted restricted access to the internet and they worked to make it as hard as possible for their people to get places they did not want them to go. In the beginning AOL was popular because it was simple and easy and any monkey with a PC could use it. very few people use the AOL network anymore, and it is out there. In the end the opportunity to shut down technology is ending as the older less versed people lose to the kids who are raised with it and understand it much better. hell, the world cannot even deal with the script kiddies at Anon. imagine what would happen if they tried to stop real hackers?
 
American said:
U.N. to Seek Control of the Internet | The Weekly Standard

European Parliament warns against UN internet control | Technology


The US should never relinquish control of the Internet. The Internet has flourished on US leadership, and it's not worth the chance of screwing it up. This is way too important to let the UN just willy-nilly take over.
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They'll probably get away with it in Europe....

Actually, I would love to see the US attempt to censor the internet....
 
Every year we have chicken little types running around about how the internet is going to be controlled by the FCC, the UN, the Federal Government and every single year nothing ever happens. The batting average of the Planet Prison crowd is about as great as that of Nostradamus.
 
Mr.Nick said:
They'll probably get away with it in Europe....

Actually, I would love to see the US attempt to censor the internet....
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They cant and wont censor it...but there is a far greater chance of taxing it and taxing it big time in alot of different ways.
 
lpast said:
They cant and wont censor it...but there is a far greater chance of taxing it and taxing it big time in alot of different ways.
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Ding! Ding! Ding!
 
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