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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    There was no need for the government to provide the defense of this; if a union or cop wanted to flp the bill for defending this violation of our rights let them - the government doing so irritates me. Our government should not be involved in such legal proceedings.


    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    here in this place called america we have these things called courts. in courts people present both sides, not just one. Yes, that often means that at some time or another a completely stupid point will be defended. Still, this defense is guaranteed for all of us so that the government cannot say you personally cannot defend yourself because someone does not feel your case has merrit. Where i do agree the law was absurd and needed to be challenged, it also needs to be defended.

    So feel glad that notion is there because it protects you. Seriously, sometimes people really amaze me when they want to toss out their own rights and allow government officials to simply decide they are not worth defending in court. if that is the land you really want i am sure there are some places in this world that would allow the government to decide, without trial, your fate.

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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    So long as people realize that just because you have a piece of video showing the police doing something you believe to be wrong doesn't mean they actually ARE/WERE doing something wrong, or that everyone who views the video is going to agree that it's wrong.

    We currently have a piece of video floating around New England showing Rhode Island Police forcing teens to do pushups after being caught vandalizing someone's property. Some people around here are in an absolute outrage over it. Most of us really don't see what the problem is.
    You see, police have a job. In this case it was to arrest and charge the teens with a crime and then to submit the evidence they find to the courts for trial. The police are not the prosecutor, and they are not the judge or jury. Though i would imagine the teens should prefer doing a few push ups as opposed to having to deal with courts, lawyers, and possibly fines for the stupid thing they did, but it is not the police's job to declare the teens guilty on the street and deal out punishment to them. Still, in this case i agree the police probably did the vandals a favor with that particular choice.

    The problem arises from a few things. First is the potentially prejudicial handing out of justice. Do these cops always make vandals do push ups? probably not so they dispensed justice differently based upon their own bias. That is a problem. The second problem I see is that by condoning this activity you encourage police to take punishment into their own hands. This can go very wrong. Who is to say tomorrow these cops won't decide to give the next vandals a beating, or to fine the criminals themselves and pocket the money? It is outside of their authority for a reason.

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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    There was no need for the government to provide the defense of this; if a union or cop wanted to flp the bill for defending this violation of our rights let them - the government doing so irritates me. Our government should not be involved in such legal proceedings.
    yes, everything gets defended, and the federal government simply cannot step in and toss out a law of a state because they do not like it. feel glad things like that are there because without them we would be egypt where the leader can just say they do not have to obey the rules of the land. yes, the procedures are there to protect you even when you do not understand their value.

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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    So long as people realize that just because you have a piece of video showing the police doing something you believe to be wrong doesn't mean they actually ARE/WERE doing something wrong, or that everyone who views the video is going to agree that it's wrong.

    We currently have a piece of video floating around New England showing Rhode Island Police forcing teens to do pushups after being caught vandalizing someone's property. Some people around here are in an absolute outrage over it. Most of us really don't see what the problem is.
    Seeing the total lack of physical fitness exhibited by today's teens, these pushups might be misconstrued as cruel and unusual punishment. In any event, it keeps them out of jail.

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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    My local police are notorious for beating up people who film them acting like total assholes. This ruling will no doubt cause many tears to be shed by these swaggering bullies in uniform.

    Po;ice aren't supposed to be "only human". They are licensed to kill and should be held to the highest of standards. They aren't though. And their Union defends them vigorously no matter how egregious their behavior.

    I'm sure there are a few good apples in the rotten apple barrel. You know, just like in the movies. But for the most parts, these are the big kids who slammed you around in High School and now they have guns and badges.

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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    Florida has an anti-audio recording law too. It is a law specifically meant to protect commercial and governmental fraud and criminal conduct, plus protecting private sector fraudsters, government officials and police from potential perjury charges. All those laws should be declared unconstitutional or otherwise eliminated.

    The court case has exactly NOTHING to do with teens doing pushups.

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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    One of the things in this case that really bugs me is the government spent money on attorneys to protect the state against the people. Kind of sounds like something going on in Egypt not Illinois.
    Just somebody doing their job. Believe it or not, there are a few people who work for Attorney Generals et als who will cede a case, but not many. You just never hear about them because they cede the case before it ever gets decided by a court people hear of.

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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True. However, when there's a question of who is in the Right and who is in the Wrong, I'm going to side with the LEO 99% of the time until it can be definitively proven they were in the wrong.
    You don't have to judge, that is why we have attorneys, courts, judges, juries, to render verdicts. Verdicts are based on evidence, a video is a piece of evidence.
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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is great news!
    I agree with this ruling. Law enforcement are employees of the tax payers.We as their employers have a right to video tape what our employees are doing on the job.Plus if the police can video tape us then there is no reason we can't video tape them.
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    Re: Supreme Court rejects plea to ban taping of police in Illinois

    From the article:
    Illinois' eavesdropping law is one of the harshest in the country, making audio recording of a law enforcement officer — even while on duty and in public — a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
    Holy shiite! Yet another reason I am thankful that I do not live in IL.
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