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Walmart workers demand better wages

LaMidRighter said:
Being serious here, thank you for the vote of confidence. That said, think about why those jobs are moving overseas. The better jobs like manufacturing, tech help, etc. have been artificially overvalued here, that's a problem, people here want more than competitive countries and with our regulatory nature and those associated costs something has to give. All that said, if I start my percussion company I want to do it here in La. and with American labor, we(Americans) are the best, we do the best work as a rule, and honestly I would put my patriotism to the test to make that happen. But if I have to pay a person 300% more to buff a drum shell there is a breaking point. This is where the choice is becoming limited, rules from D.C. are automatically making American labor uncompetitive, I hate it, but it's economic reality.
Goes back to overvaluation. Is a tech worth 9$/hr. when a person in India will do it for 2$/hr. with the same competence?
I went from making an average of 15$/hr. to whatever the market would bear selling insurance, took a radio gig to lighten the financial burden, got burned out and am looking to get into a completely different field now. I understand what it takes to "make it" but also understand that if I'm not the guy in charge certain concessions have to be made on my part. The offensive thing here is people who are employees feeling entitled to the same perks as investors and management(their immediate employers) Disagree. Walmart has had a long list of applicants in every type of market, many of their district managers started by sweeping floors(Sam Walton's book), the fact is when you want to move up in a company you learn how it works, the internals, who is owed money, and how to best fulfill the mission statement. The employees who typify what an organization wants to be will move up, those who feel entitled will stagnate.
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NO NO NO nooooooooooo thats a lie they tell you..that the job here was overvalued...Look LA can you live as father with two kids in a east coast state for 11,000 a year...NO YOU CANT and thats what a chinese worker costs some of the shoe factories that move to china...it wasnt overvaluled here...those chinese may be able to live on 11 grand...you cant use a pay toilet in NYC everyday for 11 grand a year....its all bull**** they sent those jobs to china so the pigs could have more and they didnt and dont care one iota for americans and their plight...but they are going to cut their own throat eventually...because europe isnt going to b able to buy their chinese garbage their broke...not enough americans are giong to be able to buy their garbage...and they will wind up making even less...china is at a tipping point btw...chinese owners have gotten smarter and greedier and are demanding more from our pigs..chinese workers are demanding more and shipping costs just keep skyrocketing soon it wont be a big financial benefit anymore for the pigs thats why they were pushing for the latin america nafta agreement...thats their next screw americans move to enrich ME
 
lpast said:
NO NO NO nooooooooooo thats a lie they tell you..that the job here was overvalued...Look LA can you live as father with two kids in a east coast state for 11,000 a year...NO YOU CANT and thats what a chinese worker costs some of the shoe factories that move to china...it wasnt overvaluled here...those chinese may be able to live on 11 grand...you cant use a pay toilet in NYC everyday for 11 grand a year....its all bull**** they sent those jobs to china so the pigs could have more and they didnt and dont care one iota for americans and their plight...but they are going to cut their own throat eventually...because europe isnt going to b able to buy their chinese garbage their broke...not enough americans are giong to be able to buy their garbage...and they will wind up making even less...china is at a tipping point btw...chinese owners have gotten smarter and greedier and are demanding more from our pigs..chinese workers are demanding more and shipping costs just keep skyrocketing soon it wont be a big financial benefit anymore for the pigs thats why they were pushing for the latin america nafta agreement...thats their next screw americans move to enrich ME
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No dude. Think about this, 11K a year not so long ago was a decent living, not fancy, but one could make it. These days the dollar is so inflated that it will barely buy a coke, used to be a person could get a sandwich, fries, and a drink for around a dollar. Through government intervention we've gotten to the point that in less than 30 years a dollar isn't worth what a quarter was, that same government has put labor ahead of company interests by law, in those kinds of conditions it is natural to find the cheaper market, that's just economics. Now, we overvalue labor, to the point where a person who literally only has to push a cart stack makes as much as assistant managers did not more than a decade ago, it always comes to this, if the job can be done and shipped for less than the hourly wage of one entry level worker that job will be outsourced, it's not greed, it's business.
 
LaMidRighter said:
No dude. Think about this, 11K a year not so long ago was a decent living, not fancy, but one could make it. These days the dollar is so inflated that it will barely buy a coke, used to be a person could get a sandwich, fries, and a drink for around a dollar. Through government intervention we've gotten to the point that in less than 30 years a dollar isn't worth what a quarter was, that same government has put labor ahead of company interests by law, in those kinds of conditions it is natural to find the cheaper market, that's just economics. Now, we overvalue labor, to the point where a person who literally only has to push a cart stack makes as much as assistant managers did not more than a decade ago, it always comes to this, if the job can be done and shipped for less than the hourly wage of one entry level worker that job will be outsourced, it's not greed, it's business.
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La you cant be homeless in NYC with 11 grand and eat 3 times day nvm get a flophouse room
 
lpast said:
La you cant be homeless in NYC with 11 grand and eat 3 times day nvm get a flophouse room
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My point is that government interference has negated what used to be great wages on behalf of people who overestimate their value in the labor market. The only course I see half the country on is to continue the overvaluations, if a person isn't worth more they should take it upon themselves to be worth more.
 
lpast said:
La you cant be homeless in NYC with 11 grand and eat 3 times day nvm get a flophouse room
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Do you think Walmart payes low wages to all of their employees? Say their distribution warehouse workers? Their truck drivers? Their maintence people? Are all of those jobs on the low end of the scale? How about management? Low middle and high were does their wages rank? I am interested in what excactly you know, about the Walmarts pay rankings are in various job classifications so I can understand what your knowledge base is. If you research it I think it will open your eyes and surprise you. I know what a lot of their distribution warehouse guys and the semi-truck drivers are paid. I want you to research it so you dont have to rely on my word. Further you might want to compare those wages to other competitors. If your eyes werent opened before they will will be at that point. Your choice. If you want I can give some of the numbers to you. By the way Walmarts competitors are numerous Target, and Kmart, and the Dollar Stores among them. Everyone wants to knock the king off the hill.
 
LaMidRighter said:
My point is that government interference has negated what used to be great wages on behalf of people who overestimate their value in the labor market. The only course I see half the country on is to continue the overvaluations, if a person isn't worth more they should take it upon themselves to be worth more.
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heh..wanting to make a decent pay now has a new catch phrase for the rich corporatists a decent pay is overvalued ok..lol...what we need is more unions to undervalue the pigs pay at the top
 
PirateMk1 said:
Do you think Walmart payes low wages to all of their employees? Say their distribution warehouse workers? Their truck drivers? Their maintence people? Are all of those jobs on the low end of the scale? How about management? Low middle and high were does their wages rank? I am interested in what excactly you know, about the Walmarts pay rankings are in various job classifications so I can understand what your knowledge base is. If you research it I think it will open your eyes and surprise you. I know what a lot of their distribution warehouse guys and the semi-truck drivers are paid. I want you to research it so you dont have to rely on my word. Further you might want to compare those wages to other competitors. If your eyes werent opened before they will will be at that point. Your choice. If you want I can give some of the numbers to you. By the way Walmarts competitors are numerous Target, and Kmart, and the Dollar Stores among them. Everyone wants to knock the king off the hill.
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Anyone at the store level isnt paid what they should be...I say that because my daughter was an asst store manager at a walmart...she made peanuts what was even more laughable was they cut her hours as a assistant manager...anything other than arkansas is expendable to walmart and probably more than half of arkansas too...ask a walmart store manager a question he will tell you oh I have no control of that arkansas doe it.
If you tell him your freezing in his store..arkansas controls the thermostats I have no control...if you tell him you cant seel in the store cuz half the lights are out..Oh I have no control over the lights its controlled from arkansas....if you complain hes out of an item..he tell you i have no control over that all the ordering is done from arksansas...walmart store managers have less control that dept heads in other companies.
 
lpast said:
heh..wanting to make a decent pay now has a new catch phrase for the rich corporatists a decent pay is overvalued ok..lol...what we need is more unions to undervalue the pigs pay at the top
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Seriously, your bombastic responses are just quasi conspiracy theory.
Yes, low skill labor is not valuable, that why it's low skilled and has few barriers to entry.

This should be common sense stuff for adults to grasp.
 
lpast said:
she made peanuts
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Interesting!
One getting paid what they are worth is now peanuts, instead of "getting what one is worth". :doh
Very interesting indeed.

There is a solution that I never hear liberals/socialists speak about.
Starting a Company/Corp. of their own, and paying exactly what they think is not peanuts.
 
lpast said:
heh..wanting to make a decent pay now has a new catch phrase for the rich corporatists a decent pay is overvalued ok..lol...what we need is more unions to undervalue the pigs pay at the top
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No, dude, if a person has a light resume or no other skills they have no value, no leverage. If minimum wage is more than an unskilled employee is worth that is overvalued.
 
lpast said:
Anyone at the store level isnt paid what they should be...I say that because my daughter was an asst store manager at a walmart...she made peanuts what was even more laughable was they cut her hours as a assistant manager...anything other than arkansas is expendable to walmart and probably more than half of arkansas too
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That wasnt the question I asked. It takes more than the retail people to run a Walmart. What I am asking in the simplified version, is do you know what are they paying in their various positions and how that compares to their competion and the retail industry as a whole. Do they on average pay toward the bottom end or the top when compared to others. You see pay cant be taken in a vacuum. If they pay above average for the industy, then that same worker has an advantage over a similar worker at a different company. If the pay averaged on the low end then a worker would be better off getting another job from different company in that industry. What you consider peanuts may be good wages for that job. But you wont know that unless you know the numbers. If good wages is peanuts maybe its time to seek employment elsewhere.
 
lpast said:
Anyone at the store level isnt paid what they should be...I say that because my daughter was an asst store manager at a walmart...she made peanuts what was even more laughable was they cut her hours as a assistant manager...anything other than arkansas is expendable to walmart and probably more than half of arkansas too...ask a walmart store manager a question he will tell you oh I have no control of that arkansas doe it.
If you tell him your freezing in his store..arkansas controls the thermostats I have no control...if you tell him you cant seel in the store cuz half the lights are out..Oh I have no control over the lights its controlled from arkansas....if you complain hes out of an item..he tell you i have no control over that all the ordering is done from arksansas...walmart store managers have less control that dept heads in other companies.
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What does the stores problems have to do with the level of their pay?
 
The whole reaction to Walmart and what it pays reminds me of Louis C.K.
"Everything is amazing and no one is happy."

Walmart employees are not even remotely the same employees exploited years ago (think old time coal workers).
Yet, even as they are offered market competitive wages and benefits, people of old would envy, all people can do is complain for more.
Freaking ridiculous.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Seriously, your bombastic responses are just quasi conspiracy theory.
Yes, low skill labor is not valuable, that why it's low skilled and has few barriers to entry.

This should be common sense stuff for adults to grasp.
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Tell ya a story bout low skill labor harry...servers in a small pizzeria/ristorante are low skilled right ? kitchen help, prep boys, dishwashers all low skill...I had a competitor 2 blocks away go out of business all his employees what was left of them walked out on him..he treated them like dog**** and paid them less than everyone else...
Harry my low skilled employees were making me money...when I was sleeping, when I was working my job, when I was eating dinner with my family, while I was making more money rennovating real estate to turn over and when I was watching tv and getting laid...that low skill labor made me comfortable in life and I could NOT do it without them...so in turn for them..I paid them more than other shops doing the same thing...I talked to them, I told them you need something come ask me..you need help come ask me..I bought more than a few cars and took small payments out of their pay...I gave out nice Christmas bonus no one else did that...turkeys on thanksgiving...and know what harry I made alot of money...so I gave them an extra 30 to 50 a week...it helped them...and it helped me...I dont subscribe to your thinking one bit...low skilled my ass...if you didnt need them to run your business and make your money you wouldnt have them in the first place...
 
lpast said:
Tell ya a story bout low skill labor harry...servers in a small pizzeria/ristorante are low skilled right ? kitchen help, prep boys, dishwashers all low skill...I had a competitor 2 blocks away go out of business all his employees what was left of them walked out on him..he treated them like dog**** and paid them less than everyone else...
Harry my low skilled employees were making me money...when I was sleeping, when I was working my job, when I was eating dinner with my family, while I was making more money rennovating real estate to turn over and when I was watching tv and getting laid...that low skill labor made me comfortable in life and I could NOT do it without them...so in turn for them..I paid them more than other shops doing the same thing...I talked to them, I told them you need something come ask me..you need help come ask me..I bought more than a few cars and took small payments out of their pay...I gave out nice Christmas bonus no one else did that...turkeys on thanksgiving...and know what harry I made alot of money...so I gave them an extra 30 to 50 a week...it helped them...and it helped me...I dont subscribe to your thinking one bit...low skilled my ass...if you didnt need them to run your business and make your money you wouldnt have them in the first place...
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That's wonderful.
Did you provide them with ownership in the business? Profit sharing? Insurance? Paid vacation? Retirement plan?

Your employees were still low skilled labor.
You could replace them, many times over, for others who were just as functional.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
That's wonderful.
Did you provide them with ownership in the business? Profit sharing? Insurance? Paid vacation? Retirement plan?

Your employees were still low skilled labor.
You could replace them, many times over, for others who were just as functional.
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Vacation the third year yes...no profit sharing...no retirement but I did have a guy they could go to and set up a 401k but that came later on and my partner and I paid his fee....we had group insurance for all the stores..but it got to the point where the employees werent taking it

Lets get something straight here ok...my daughter got no profit sharing from walmart got no retirement and got a small vacation I forget after how many years...so maybe you should be asking the LARGEST employer in the country that makes 16.5 billion in profits...why the F dont they have those benefits...instead of me...:) Thats why walmart should unionize...
 
lpast said:
Vacation the third year yes...no profit sharing...no retirement but I did have a guy they could go to and set up a 401k but that came later on and my partner and I paid his fee....we had group insurance for all the stores..but it got to the point where the employees werent taking it

Lets get something straight here ok...my daughter got no profit sharing from walmart got no retirement and got a small vacation I forget after how many years...so maybe you should be asking the LARGEST employer in the country that makes 16.5 billion in profits...why the F dont they have those benefits...instead of me...:) Thats why walmart should unionize...
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Well Walmart provides better benefits than you did, it seems. :shrug:
Walmart Careers - Benefits Careers

Here are some tips for these people that blame Walmart.
It helped me a lot.

10 Things You Must Give Up to Be Successful
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Well Walmart provides better benefits than you did, it seems. :shrug:
Walmart Careers - Benefits Careers

Here are some tips for these people that blame Walmart.
It helped me a lot.

10 Things You Must Give Up to Be Successful
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Im not going to look for it, i posted it here somewhere....but walmart is no longer offering a health plan to new hires...and by attrition they will eliminate the others..and by attrition that means lowering hours below 30 and demotions...you cannot put walmart on a pedestal to me harry...its an american chinese like run company
 
lpast said:
Im not going to look for it, i posted it here somewhere....but walmart is no longer offering a health plan to new hires...and by attrition they will eliminate the others..and by attrition that means lowering hours below 30 and demotions...you cannot put walmart on a pedestal to me harry...its an american chinese like run company
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Oh sams club pays a bit better than walmart for yes unskilled labor and they have better benefits that walmart...its a bit closer to being a livable job...
 
lpast said:
Anyone at the store level isnt paid what they should be...I say that because my daughter was an asst store manager at a walmart...she made peanuts what was even more laughable was they cut her hours as a assistant manager...anything other than arkansas is expendable to walmart and probably more than half of arkansas too...ask a walmart store manager a question he will tell you oh I have no control of that arkansas doe it.
If you tell him your freezing in his store..arkansas controls the thermostats I have no control...if you tell him you cant seel in the store cuz half the lights are out..Oh I have no control over the lights its controlled from arkansas....if you complain hes out of an item..he tell you i have no control over that all the ordering is done from arksansas...walmart store managers have less control that dept heads in other companies.
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Bull! Store Managers, Co-Managers and Assistant Managers are SALARIED employees for WalMart. Their hours don't matter (in relation to store payroll) so they don't get cut!

By the way, your hatred for WalMart is noted. It's a good (not great) employer. The Company recognizes hard work and rewards it. It also recognizes lazy slackers who really don't want to work, but feel entitled to a pay check for breathing and those people do not get promoted or receive pay raises and when store economics warrant, those are the folks whose hours are cut.
 
lpast said:
Im not going to look for it, i posted it here somewhere....but walmart is no longer offering a health plan to new hires...and by attrition they will eliminate the others..and by attrition that means lowering hours below 30 and demotions.
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They are lowering hours? Goodness - why?!? Has some major new piece of legislation made it prohibitively expensive to employ low-skill labor for more than 35 hours a week, or something?

you cannot put walmart on a pedestal to me harry...its an american chinese like run company
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On the contrary - the amazing efficiency, global operation, and incredible economic benefit that is Wal Mart could only have been American - it is some of the best of America.
 
Mustachio said:
They should make $10.65 and have benefits and the guarantee that you and the other employees will have an opportunity to get a promotion over an applicant outside the company. They should offer a one time scholarship for every full time employee who's been with the company longer than 1 year, and it can be used for their kids if they choose so.

The community programs would include assistance to help with local food shelves and shelters, and we would ensure that any employee would be able to access help in any manner should they be very ill, have an accident, or lose a family member.

I could do that because my company would have net sales of over $400,000,000,000 a year.

Crazy ideas, right?
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Yeah especially since Wal-Mart already helps with food drives and homeless shelters.

Unlimited insurance? What a dreamer. Thats part of whats bankrupting the United States, let alone trying it at Wal-Mart.

Net sales number is a joke, your gross may be that but youre net is going to be in the red with those policies.
 
lpast said:
La you cant be homeless in NYC with 11 grand and eat 3 times day nvm get a flophouse room
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This is exactly why Walmart is for people like college kids. Instead of fussing about the hourly wage, get off your rear end and make yourself worth more. I'll say it again, if you can't walk away and find a better paying job then it's pretty safe to say that you're not worth more.
 
lpast said:
Aside from that I just found out a really bad thing with obamacare that i had not realized prior...obamacare allows corporations to shirk all responsibility for providing health care to their employees and can put it on the govt taxpayer...that loophole needs to be closed.

Walmart just announced it will no longer provide health care for any employees under 30 hrs..which is the lionshare of their employees and they also said any employees reduced to under 30 yrs will not have benefits...watch how fast walmart goes 90% part time so the biggest employer in the country with 2 million employees will assure they are all underemployed so they can make more profit...gotta love it...


ObamaCare Fallout: Walmart Ends Insurance For New Hires

Walmart's New Health Care Policy Shifts Burden To Medicaid, Obamacare
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You really didn't know that? During the entire debate republicans kept pointing it out and stating it is what companies would do.
 
lpast said:
NO NO NO nooooooooooo thats a lie they tell you..that the job here was overvalued...Look LA can you live as father with two kids in a east coast state for 11,000 a year...
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Who said you could? Who said a minimum wage job will allow you to own a yacht, a million dollar home, fancy car, etc.
 
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