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Walmart workers demand better wages

solletica said:
The notion that hard work leads to money, in modern times, is mostly just a stupid cliche promoted by right wing pundits to encourage people to be exploited.

In today's world, as a critical ingredient of financial success, hard work takes a significant back seat to street smarts. This is certainly true in a free market, but the US isn't even a free market, given the extent of subsidies that corporations like Wal-Mart enjoy.

Success today is simply a matter of living by one creed: doing whatever it takes to make money. This may involve deception, extortion, theft, lobbying, and occasionally, hard work.
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Yeah....your post is stupid, cynical and bitter.
Also more than a little untruthful. Companies that engage in those practices over and over get caught.
 
a351 said:
Tax cuts count as freebies? Doesn't this fly in the face of the conservative narrative crafted over the last 30 years or so?
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extends unemployment benefits for 13 months

Freebee

includes a one-year Social Security tax cut, among other measures

SS is what you pay in you get back at some point. Not paying in and still getting the benefit is a freebee

the taxes would have affected the middle class too if not signed in it's present state

No taxes for the middle class, a freebee, cut taxes for everyone

included tax breaks for millions of college students and their families and extensions of the earned income tax credit and $1,000-per-child tax credit.

college students get freebees, tax breaks, also called subsidies, I call them freebee

Obama is Santa Clause, of course all the freebees he loves to give out are at the expense of someone else. And to make matters worse he helps pay for all his freebees by borrowing a trillion plus each yr driving our national debt to levels that will destroy this country.
 
Fletch said:
As far as I can tell, the only companies that can get away with that are entry level, no-skill-needed employers. Those types of jobs will never pay well, nor should they. I cant imagine that there are too many high skilled jobs that are cuting people to part time as a general stratagy. You can lose an unskilled employee without any real loss to your business since there is another ready to take his place. If you want to increase the pay for the unskilled, the only way to do that is to have fewer of them, thus making scarcity the engine of higher pay. But I dont see that happening any time soon. If ever.
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I think that is inaccurate. I was just looking at a chart in class (one I sit in on to help students with note taking and reading) showing that real wages have gone down significantly (while CEO salaries have grow from 20X worker salaries to some 671 X more).
 
Bobcat said:
Oh, I see. Hostess went out of business because its evil, greedy, capitalist slave driving management wanted to keep all the money and pay the workers $1 per hour. Is that what your left wing BS blogs have told you?
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Pretty close. CEO salaries were quite high. And for all that money, they didn't keep the company solvent.
 
solletica said:
The notion that hard work leads to money, in modern times, is mostly just a stupid cliche promoted by right wing pundits to encourage people to be exploited.

In today's world, as a critical ingredient of financial success, hard work takes a significant back seat to street smarts. This is certainly true in a free market, but the US isn't even a free market, given the extent of subsidies that corporations like Wal-Mart enjoy.

Success today is simply a matter of living by one creed: doing whatever it takes to make money. This may involve deception, extortion, theft, lobbying, and occasionally, hard work.
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Fortunately, there are a lot of successful people out there who don't agree with your creed...people who still have ethics and morals. I'll admit, though, that people like you make it hard for better people to survive.
 
DA60 said:
Thoughts anyone?
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Yes, if they want more pay, then maybe they should do something to earn it. If the only job they can qualify for is unskilled labor at walmart, it is not walmart's fault, it is not societies fault, it is the individuals fault. Walmart pays what the market bears. If they had a shortage of workers, then they would pay more to draw them in. Considering the rather low (abysmal is more like it) quality of the labor they do get in a lot of cases, they pay way too much for it. Unfortunately, the availability of quality employee's is rather low while there is an overabundance of under-educated undisciplined near useless people available, so that is what they have to hire. Customer service at walmart is not the fault of the companies policies, it is the fault of the low quality of available employees who concern themselves with "whats in it for me" instead of providing quality service to their employer.
 
iliveonramen said:
That doesn't mean the cashiers experience accumulated over time doesn't equal a benefit to the company.
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Be realistic. There is a very quick plateau for cashiers in terms of "accumulated experience". It is not a deep career or skillset, and there is nothing wrong with that. I was a cashier/stocker for two years. I was a bank teller for two (glorified cashier). I'm not silly enough to claim that in 10 years I would be worth a lot more to the company however. There are plenty of entry-level people looking for entry-level jobs. You could look at it from the reverse perspective, you cheat entry-level candidates of that entry-level position if you park yourself at a job that plateaus in a few years, but you make it your "career" instead.
 
VanceMack said:
What is 'more' greedy...a family who through hard work created an empire (which also BTW creates substantial wealth for others) or whiny people thinking they somehow have a right to that legacy?
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Yes they are "whining", just like people "whined" about getting rid of child labor, just like people "whined" to gain the 8 hour work day, just like people "whined" for the weekend.. They're demands are not demanding the "right to that legacy" (whatever legacy that is) they are demanding better treatment and wages.
Also without people like these "whiners" the Walton family would never have made it, after all these "whiners" are the ones that make the company function.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yes they are "whining", just like people "whined" about getting rid of child labor, just like people "whined" to gain the 8 hour work day, just like people "whined" for the weekend.. They're demands are not demanding the "right to that legacy" (whatever legacy that is) they are demanding better treatment and wages.
Also without people like these "whiners" the Walton family would never have made it, after all these "whiners" are the ones that make the company function.
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nobody likes a whiner.
 
Mycroft said:
nobody likes a whiner.
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I know. All that whining about the media, Obama, the moochers, tax rates, healthcare reform and atheists sure gets old. Good to see we agreed.


:coffeepap
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well enjoy your weekend, and your 8 hour work day, and safe working standards thanks to those "whiners" :roll:
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LOL!!!

Every day is my weekend...if I so choose...and I haven't worked an 8 hour work day in quite some time. As far as safe working conditions...I won't work in a place that I deem to be unsafe.

And I don't need to whine about it.
 
Mycroft said:
Every day is my weekend...if I so choose...and I haven't worked an 8 hour work day in quite some time. As far as safe working conditions...I won't work in a place that I deem to be unsafe.
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Yea.... Ok... Just enjoy your weekend, and enjoy those safe working conditions because we all know that without these regulations the work place would be real safe, and enjoy no child labor, enjoy your overtime pay, enjoy your worker comp. I mean based off your string of knowledge these were all brought about by "whiners".


And I don't need to whine about it.
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Never said you needed to "whine" about it.
 
tererun said:
This leads to why Walmart is able to be such a crappy employer, and there is little the employees can do about it.
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Isn't this a fair indication that they're pretty accurately paid though?
 
Boo Radley said:
I know. All that whining about the media, Obama, the moochers, tax rates, healthcare reform and atheists sure gets old. Good to see we agreed.


:coffeepap
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My, my...you see whiners everywhere, don't you?
 
Boo Radley said:
Pretty close. CEO salaries were quite high. And for all that money, they didn't keep the company solvent.
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So, what should they have done? Raise the prices of twinkees and ding dongs in order to pay wages higher than the jobs being performed were worth? Decided to forego profit and just break even? What exactly do you want?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well enjoy your weekend, and your 8 hour work day, and safe working standards thanks to those "whiners" :roll:
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the unions had their place in the 20s and 30s. now those things are law and the unions are not needed.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I own a business. I am trying it out. We participate in things like food drives, volunteer our services to help with a given cause and make wage decisions on what generates an employee that strives a little bit harder for the business and its been paying off.

CSR is the idea a business is part of the community and giving back is not only good for the bottom line in the long run but generates good will and positive PR amongst the community.

Its not an ivory tower concept. If bad PR were put into dollars every incident of bad PR costing 1$ would cost you 5$ worth of advertising to correct.

Your inability to not know what the sam hell you are talking and do so with authority is amazing.
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Are you suggesting Walmart doesn't care about its PR?
 
Bobcat said:
the unions had their place in the 20s and 30s. now those things are law and the unions are not needed.
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Unions still have there place int he workplace and still evolve there demands and are still very much needed, and workers still choose to be in unions, may be a smaller amount but they sill are very relevant in the system today.
 
Bobcat said:
the unions had their place in the 20s and 30s. now those things are law and the unions are not needed.
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and they have their place today....
 
Kal'Stang said:
Just what IS a low wage? Since you're comparing the US to other countries should we go by China where they get pennies on the dollar? Mexico? Iran? Our minimum wage alone easily tops thiers which by itself puts our poor people in a higher standard of living than those countries. So...whats your point again?
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You may be misunderstanding my comparison. In my context, China would be a perfect example to support me. We could go that low. We could go third world.
 
randel said:
and they have their place today....
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Uhh,, NO. they don't. They are leeches, bribers, and criminals. The most slimey of the slimey. lower than gator s**t at the bottom of the bayou.
 
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