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Walmart workers demand better wages

TurtleDude said:
how much wealth the walton family has has absolutely no relevance to how much Walmart pays for a commodity. if walmart is getting the quantity and quality of labor it needs, than the wages they pay are sufficient
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Nothing like good old justified corporate legalized greed eh?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Nothing like good old justified corporate legalized greed eh?
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sorry, you want to inject emotobabble into the marketplace I cannot help that. the fact remains that the market should set wages and its stupid for corporate management to pay more for a commodity than its competition

greed is an interesting concept.
 
TurtleDude said:
sorry, you want to inject emotobabble into the marketplace I cannot help that. the fact remains that the market should set wages and its stupid for corporate management to pay more for a commodity than its competition

greed is an interesting concept.
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Greed is greed nothing about it. When your giant company can afford to treat, and pay the people that work and keep your company running you should do it. After all without these "no skill workers" your company would fail.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
There is no such thing as "no-skill workers".


"On average, a Wal-Mart associate, according to IBISWorld, makes $8.81 an hour." http://old.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20110214/203/3463
Facts » Making Change at Walmart
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You do realize this website is sponsored by UFCW union??? What does Kohl's pay? What does McDonald's pay? What do the myriad of other low-skills-required jobs pay? If you compare, you've got something. Without that? Just more union drivel. About » Making Change at Walmart
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Greed is greed nothing about it. When your giant company can afford to treat, and pay the people that work and keep your company running you should do it. After all without these "no skill workers" your company would fail.
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why? should you pay a supplier of say office supplies more than they are willing to sell for?

and your condition is stupid. Obviously walmart is getting those no skill workers
 
MaggieD said:
You do realize this website is sponsored by UFCW union??? What does Kohl's pay? What does McDonald's pay? What do the myriad of other low-skills-required jobs pay? If you compare, you've got something. Without that? Just more union drivel. About » Making Change at Walmart
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Unions care about getting more members and more money. that is why I said GREED is an interesting concept. Greed is a term that fits Unions to the t
 
MaggieD said:
You do realize this website is sponsored by UFCW union???
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Ok. Does the study the cite links to make anything less valid?

What does Kohl's pay? What does McDonald's pay? What do the myriad of other low-skills-required jobs pay? If you compare, you've got something. Without that? Just more union drivel. About » Making Change at Walmart
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Well like i stated earlier i think the minimum wage should be raised to a living wage... But yea since this is the thread about Walmart i thought we are specifically talking and debating about Walmart.
 
j-mac said:
Define "livable" or 'Living wage'....
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The minimum amount of income needed for a worker to meet the basic needs, the needs are such as shelter, water, nutrition, clothing, utilities, health care, and retirmenent savings.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Because its the right and just thing to do. And many of there workers are demanding it.



What condition?
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right thing? based on your sensibilities but contrary to the market. and if the workers don't like the wages they should find some place that pays them more.


Condition-your suggestion that walmart would fail without low skilled workers

thats a stupid condition
 
TurtleDude said:
Unions care about getting more members and more money. that is why I said GREED is an interesting concept. Greed is a term that fits Unions to the t
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Greed is what fits nearly all things related to business, labour, profit.

Unions serve a purpose (to serve the greed of the union member for higher pay and benifits)


It seems greed is good expect for those with low to moderate skils who should not be expected to show greed
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The minimum amount of income needed for a worker to meet the basic needs, the needs are such as shelter, water, nutrition, clothing, utilities, health care, and retirmenent savings.
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that is a subjective issue that would mean two workers of equal skills, doing the same quantity and quality of work might be paid different wages.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ok. Does the study the cite links to make anything less valid?

Well like i stated earlier i think the minimum wage should be raised to a living wage... But yea since this is the thread about Walmart i thought we are specifically talking and debating about Walmart.
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Why would a union site link to anything that would make what they say less valid? Do your own homework. You'll see that people stand in line for WalMart jobs . . . many/most of the employees are happy there . . . they have profit sharing, health insurance . . . Do they talk about that??

Look, if you want the minimum wage increased? That's one thing. But to center your wrath on WalMart when they pay as much or more as other similar retail jobs? You're just buying into the bull**** that the unions are putting out there. WalMart has over one million retail workers. Unionize them at an average dues of $40/month? That's gold. They will say anything, do anything, lie about everything, misrepresent and slander in order to get those dues.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Greed is what fits nearly all things related to business, labour, profit.

Unions serve a purpose (to serve the greed of the union member for higher pay and benifits)
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true enough. I suppose just about anything can be called "greed"
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The minimum amount of income needed for a worker to meet the basic needs, the needs are such as shelter, water, nutrition, clothing, utilities, health care, and retirmenent savings.
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Hmmm....I see. So an actual number has nothing to do with it eh? How convenient. That way it never ends...As wages rise, so do prices, then wages must rise again to compensate for the price increases, and so on, and so forth until the company goes out of business and no one has a damned thing....Great plan genius.
 
j-mac said:
Hmmm....I see. So an actual number has nothing to do with it eh? How convenient. That way it never ends...As wages rise, so do prices, then wages must rise again to compensate for the price increases, and so on, and so forth until the company goes out of business and no one has a damned thing....Great plan genius.
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the lefties never understand the concept of a global labor market and the ramifications of an American company being saddled with the idiocy of minimum wages that the competition does not face
 
MaggieD said:
Why would a union site link to anything that would make what they say less valid? Do your own homework. You'll see that people stand in line for WalMart jobs . . . many/most of the employees are happy there . . . they have profit sharing, health insurance . . . Do they talk about that??

Look, if you want the minimum wage increased? That's one thing. But to center your wrath on WalMart when they pay as much or more as other similar retail jobs? You're just buying into the bull**** that the unions are putting out there. WalMart has over one million retail workers. Unionize them at an average dues of $40/month? That's gold. They will say anything, do anything, lie about everything, misrepresent and slander in order to get those dues.
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to get those kind of dues, at least in my union, UAW, wallyworld employees if unionized would have to make 20 dollars an hour, so your figures are way, way, WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY off base. my dues are 2 hours straight time per month, and well worth it.
 
randel said:
to get those kind of dues, at least in my union, UAW, wallyworld employees if unionized would have to make 20 dollars an hour, so your figures are way, way, WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY off base. my dues are 2 hours straight time per month, and well worth it.
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I used an "average" I saw of $40 a month. Make it $18 a month. $18,000,000 a month isn't chicken feed. Is it?
 
a question-if the "right of association" is used to justify Unions trying to organize walmart workers, why isn't the right not to associate sufficient to allow Walmart to fire those who join unions?

I believe in both rights. and if the union is able to get enough of the available labor in a given area to join then the union "wins" or the employer moves. and if the union cannot, it loses as it should be
 
DA60 said:
Thoughts anyone?
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Demand away. Maybe the Unions will get a piece of their paychecks and they will really have a reason to complain.

Other than that, their paychecks will shrink as the economy shrinks and the Unions try to zero in on a new cash cow.
 
TurtleDude said:
the lefties never understand the concept of a global labor market and the ramifications of an American company being saddled with the idiocy of minimum wages that the competition does not face
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the real kicker of it all is that if the minimum wage were to disappear, I'd lay odds that wages would go up.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
And yet when it is applied to the working people it is considerd a bad thing.
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I have no problem with workers wanting more pay. what I have a problem with is the government protecting unions
 
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