Page 96 of 154 FirstFirst ... 46869495969798106146 ... LastLast
Results 951 to 960 of 1532

Thread: Walmart workers demand better wages

  1. #951
    Global Moderator
    The Truth is out there.
    Kal'Stang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Bonners Ferry ID USA
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,894
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Agreed. Something I've been saying (though some companies work well with a more egalitarian approach).
    At least we agree on something.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which is when they are negotiating. Unions don't negotiate daily. They do that at regular intervals. We'renot union here persay, but we negotiate a new contract yearly. And while a new employee may be starting at the time, they do get the benefit of whatever is negotiated. But, there is nothing midway through the job that anyone is advocating.
    Exactly. And this is part of the problem. Even the new employee that has not proven that they deserve more gets the same benefits that someone who's worked somewhere for 20 years gets. Or the crappy employee gets the same benefits as the hard working employee. The union negotiates for the whole regardless of ability of the individual workers. If 1/4 of those people that are negotiated for are hard workers and the rest are crap workers why should the company pay 3/4 of its employees the same amount as the 1/4 gets? Those crap employees can hurt the companies profits. And we all know that its rather hard for a company to fire crappy workers when unions are around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nor is anyone saying they have to pay anyone anything. Merely saying that barganinig collectively is worhtwhile and valid. And that any company that has such a disparity between the CEO pay and the average worker, more than historcial, and more than the rest of the world, has their priorities out of wack. No law against being stupid to be sure, but calling stupid stupid is appropriate.
    But thats the thing, people are saying that they have to pay. That is what strikes are all about. Making the company pay what they think they should be paid, regardless if it is deserved or not, through extortion no less. Even in this thread I see people basically saying that the CEO should have to pay the workers more and give them more benefits. "Because the workers have the right to it". (paraphrasing) My last post was responding to just such a poster.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't hate unions. They do have thier pro's. But unions also have thier con's. And lately those con's have been outweighing the benefits of the pro's. When unions first start out they are great. But eventually, just like corporations, they grow too big and start to become a burden. Causing everything attached to them to fail.

    IMO the very thing that is argued for employee's should be argued for companies also. Yeah yeah, thats what "negotiating" is suppose to do. But that "negotiating" table is very one sided and favors unions. Look what happened with Boeing when they tried to open up a plant in a RTW state. The unions forced them to not do it via the courts. No amount of employee's should be able to stop a company from building a factory elsewhere...no matter the reason. Even if Boeing was doing it to get away from unions they had that right. Because no one has a right to work. Or more precisely they have a right to work, but not a right to work at a specific company if that company does not want them.
    I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang

    My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang

  2. #952
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,594

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's when it's time to tell those folks to go ahead and pay the difference.
    I've said that all along, but those folks just don't seem to see it that way...when it's their money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  3. #953
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,594

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is more than one union, thus no monopoly. For many, the union employees take all the risks so others can benefit. No one I know of has ever turned down a raise earned by the union, or better benefits. Can't balme union members for wanting equal sharing of the burden.
    I can when unions abet laziness and substandard service.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  4. #954
    Sage

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    9,812

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, they have dropped the greeter program, I was confused about it a first also, but greeters are gone. Damn, and there went my desired second career.
    Possibly at some walmarts, but not ours. They have an older individual planted at each entrances to greet people and help direct people if they need help. One looks like an old biker. I'm jealous of his beard.

  5. #955
    Global Moderator
    The Truth is out there.
    Kal'Stang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Bonners Ferry ID USA
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,894
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Possibly at some walmarts, but not ours. They have an older individual planted at each entrances to greet people and help direct people if they need help. One looks like an old biker. I'm jealous of his beard.
    Nor at my wal-mart. There are of course times when there is no greeter. But those are either when the incoming customer count is real low consistantly or when the greeter is off helping another customer.
    I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang

    My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang

  6. #956
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So when a union has a monopoly on labor for 1 employer, I'm supposed to coo with happiness?
    It is a monopoly.

    Sure, if someone handed me a $100 bill, for no reason, I'd take it to.
    Not a monopoly. And yes, of course you'd take it. But understand where it came from and why.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  7. #957
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Exactly. And this is part of the problem. Even the new employee that has not proven that they deserve more gets the same benefits that someone who's worked somewhere for 20 years gets. Or the crappy employee gets the same benefits as the hard working employee. The union negotiates for the whole regardless of ability of the individual workers. If 1/4 of those people that are negotiated for are hard workers and the rest are crap workers why should the company pay 3/4 of its employees the same amount as the 1/4 gets? Those crap employees can hurt the companies profits. And we all know that its rather hard for a company to fire crappy workers when unions are around.
    Doesn't matter, there is always a process to deal with poor employees. Always. Some harder than others, but the process is there. And largely no not much different in good companies that are not unionized. What there is a myth that you can't fire poor employees. It really isn't true.



    But thats the thing, people are saying that they have to pay. That is what strikes are all about. Making the company pay what they think they should be paid, regardless if it is deserved or not, through extortion no less. Even in this thread I see people basically saying that the CEO should have to pay the workers more and give them more benefits. "Because the workers have the right to it". (paraphrasing) My last post was responding to just such a poster.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't hate unions. They do have thier pro's. But unions also have thier con's. And lately those con's have been outweighing the benefits of the pro's. When unions first start out they are great. But eventually, just like corporations, they grow too big and start to become a burden. Causing everything attached to them to fail.

    IMO the very thing that is argued for employee's should be argued for companies also. Yeah yeah, thats what "negotiating" is suppose to do. But that "negotiating" table is very one sided and favors unions. Look what happened with Boeing when they tried to open up a plant in a RTW state. The unions forced them to not do it via the courts. No amount of employee's should be able to stop a company from building a factory elsewhere...no matter the reason. Even if Boeing was doing it to get away from unions they had that right. Because no one has a right to work. Or more precisely they have a right to work, but not a right to work at a specific company if that company does not want them.
    A strike is part of the process. They fail sometimes. But it is a tool, hopefully only used when there is just cause to use it. And the table isn't one sided. Ever see the NFL lock out? See replacement employees hired? See people fired? Of the tools each side has, the union is really not the one with a dominate hand. Both sides use tools.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  8. #958
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I can when unions abet laziness and substandard service.
    Wlamart isn't union, and I bet I can find lazy and substandard service.


    That's the thing, it is really only a myth that unions bred these things. You can find what you complain about in non-union businessess. And some of them even have processess that have to be followed to fire someone. An honest discussion avoids such nonsense as you present here my friend.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  9. #959
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,756

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Walmart isn't union, and I bet I can find lazy and substandard service.


    That's the thing, it is really only a myth that unions bred these things. You can find what you complain about in non-union businesses. And some of them even have processes that have to be followed to fire someone. An honest discussion avoids such nonsense as you present here my friend.
    You seem at least somewhat knowledgeable about this area...

    Question: I’ve heard from various locations (most if not all “conservatives”) that one thing unions want is “open ballots”, or some such, probably to do with whether or not a given facility wants to become unionized…

    Basically the idea presented is that this will allow pro-union people to intimidate those employees who might not want a union into voting for it.

    And thus it is bad.
    Ergo, unions (and democrats, who support them, of course) are bad.


    I digress.
    My question is, do you or for that matter anyone know of a union which actually supports this idea? Because to me it’s obviously bad, but I’m not sure whether it’s BS made up by these conservative talk radio people or reality.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  10. #960
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,594

    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wlamart isn't union, and I bet I can find lazy and substandard service.


    That's the thing, it is really only a myth that unions bred these things. You can find what you complain about in non-union businessess. And some of them even have processess that have to be followed to fire someone. An honest discussion avoids such nonsense as you present here my friend.
    No it's not. It's a fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •